Article Comments: The World's Quickest Hatchback

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#39 of 48 Re: Speed3 kicks ass!!!! [eldaino] by rorr Dec 06, 2006 (1:37 pm)
Replying to: eldaino (Dec 06, 2006 1:08 pm) "Oh and you still failed to explain how one supercharges a car with a catback exhaust and headers." Um, I think he meant (although I don't want to put words in his mouth), taking an Si, supercharging it......AND adding a catback exhaust and headers. Which came out as "a supercharged Si with catback exhaust and headers". Kinda like having a "a supercharged Si with 18" rims and a DVD system" doesn't mean he used 18" rims and a DVD system to supercharge the motor......
#40 of 48 Rorr and how to write. by eldaino Dec 06, 2006 (2:01 pm)
I was going to supercharge the si with a catabck and header this is what he said. A far cry from adding the word 'and'. Perhaps he should have said 'i was going to supercharge A si with a catback exhaust and headers already installed'. He should type what he means. Rorr will you just like go away? Replies to this message: rorr (Dec 06, 2006 2:13 pm)
#41 of 48 Re: Rorr and how to write. [eldaino] by rorr Dec 06, 2006 (2:13 pm)
Replying to: eldaino (Dec 06, 2006 2:01 pm) "Rorr will you just like go away?" That's the funniest thing I've seen all day! ummmm, no. I agree on your assessment ("He should type what he means") of the way it was originally worded. But it's not the worst mangling of sentence structure by any stretch. I just think it is OBVIOUS that he wasn't trying to say he used a cat-back exhaust and headers to 'supercharge' an Si; particularly when the $7k figure was mentioned. But, it appeared you were confused so I was just trying to help out......
#42 of 48 Re: Speed3 kicks ass!!!! [eldaino] by drumbira Dec 06, 2006 (3:28 pm)
Replying to: eldaino (Dec 06, 2006 1:08 pm) SPC reviewed them 2 months ago and you can get the review at google. It was a great review. Anyhow, i like the si alot. I have had a 1989,2004,2006. I have been a Honda fan since 1988 and have owned about 10 since. Tuned a 260Z in 1974 and a Saab 99EMS in 1978 and have been driving Hondas since.I like compacts and this compact is for me and my son to take rides in and have fun and bonding, i have a crv for daily driving.By far the 2006 si has been the best and had all intentions of tuning it,BUT BUT i could not deal with spending this much money and blowing the warranty,getting less for it if i decide to trade it in.All told it would run approx 6to7 grand to do the work i wanted all installed at $100. hour labor for a minimum 12 to 15 hours. I prefered to go with a car that had more warrantied power and go from there. Our hobbies, my son and I is to test drive lots and lots of cars and the ones i like he most seem to be in 32000 to 50000. range. I opted to have 2 vehicles instead of 1 for 350000. I find if you have 1 car for speed and fun then its always special rather than driving it all the time. My opinion only..I had a deposit on a 2004 M3, I love the Evo Mr ( the wings to much for me) I love the STI, the wing again. I love to R32, drove twice, and the GTI with paddles, fun fun fun and the Carrera, GTO, VETTE, RDX was fun, i could go on and on. I love compact cars, ALL of them but i like to possibly have the option of trading them in every 2 to 3 years and if you tune a Honda its a problem with resale unless its to the right person.As far as supercharging the si.YES YES YES by all means, but i was told by a reputable tuner who tunes Honda for a living that spending all the money will not get the results that i wanted, but would make the si alot more fun but not that much torqier. The si winds up great but sometimes as stock it felt like it was making too much noise for the amount of speed i was making and it never felt like it had theat STI,EVO, pull but the Mazda Speed3 had hints of it and will go to 162 mph!!!!! Peace Replies to this message: eldaino (Dec 07, 2006 6:43 am)
#43 of 48 Re: Speed3 kicks ass!!!! [drumbira] by eldaino Dec 07, 2006 (6:43 am)
Replying to: drumbira (Dec 06, 2006 3:28 pm) Carrera, GTO, VETTE, RDX was fun, i could go on and on. I love compact cars This is a hilarious line. The si winds up great but sometimes as stock it felt like it was making too much noise for the amount of speed i was making and it never felt like it had theat STI,EVO, pull but the Mazda Speed3 had hints of it and will go to 162 mph!!!!! Peace Well, maybe thats becuase the si isn't really meant to have the pull of an sti or evo? I agree that mazda does offer hints of it witht the speed 3, but with such an extensive background on hondas i'm suprised you still havent really gotten the concept of why they appeal to people, it not about having the fastest torquiest car in the world, but more power to you.
#44 of 48 I like the Si but prefer the Speed3 by drumbira Dec 07, 2006 (2:58 pm)
I disagree. After driving Hondas for so many years they rev and wind up great and the 2006 snarls with pride, but after driving this car for a year it gets tiresome having to rev all the time to 6000 to have the vtec kick in.Hondata got it right to reflash the ecu so the vtech kicks at 4100, but again it will void the warranty, The Speed 3 has the kick at 2500 to 3000 and by 6000rpm in 3rd your doing almost 90mph. Im not here to bash the Si, i think its a great car and gets its power from high revs, and i think Honda missed the boat here and should of put a air induction system in it like the Acura RDX, then it would really rock all the way to 8000. The Hondas appeal to people because they are very reliable, great resale value and just a good fun car, but i am not alone on the issue of more power iis needed for some of us. I wish Honda would wake up and have a more serious tuner division such as Dinan for BMW or Nismo for Nissan or Speed for Mazda that covers upgrades under warrany.Honda bulds some of the finest race engines in the world and i wish they would give there customer more tuner options. They hit it on the suspension, came close on the exhaust but nothing for the engine?????, not even a air intake???? After the warranty is over then all bets are off, but if i drive a R32 in 6 months and want to trade in the Honda or Mazda or whatever then you need the car to be certified to get a good price for it. On all my trades i have got top dollar because they are in such good shape and not tuned out too much with aftermarket parts. Also the Honda can only take apprx 8psi in boost without having to do some engine work to upgrade it, also the MAS sensor only will allow so much boost and the electronic throttle by wire has some tuners wishing this feature was left out. One of my biggest problems with the Si is FOR ME ,the digital dash. Some people love it others like myself prefer analog. On the 2nd day i had the Si i was troubled with the digital speedo, it was distracting to me and i felt it never worked for my liking, it was always in your face and moving. I no its supposed to be in your face , but it was bothersome after awhile.I actually thought to mysely i made a mistake here in buying the Si. My friends that have a Si and other civics respect this viewpoint, but 80% of them like it, but i do not. This was also a big reason for me trading it in as well as the warranty issue and power issue, probably the power isssue the least for the Si has enough you just have to rev it high all the time to get there, which is cool, but I prefer it to come on sooner, thats why i almost supercharged it. The Si also handles great and the stereo is super but i like the TURBO pull. Peace Replies to this message: eldaino (Dec 08, 2006 10:20 am)
#45 of 48 Re: I like the Si but prefer the Speed3 [drumbira] by eldaino Dec 08, 2006 (10:20 am)
Replying to: drumbira (Dec 07, 2006 2:58 pm) i> and i think Honda missed the boat here and should of put a air induction system in it like the Acura RDX, then it would really rock all the way to 8000. Hmmm....most cars have an air induction system. If you mean a forced air induction system then thats different. My reference to your post being hilarious was that all the cars you mentioned, (including the above rdx) are not compacts at all, but then you mentioned how much you loved compacts. I just found it funny. Honda prides themselves on the nat.aspirated engine, and they do good on it. I wish Honda would wake up and have a more serious tuner division such as Dinan for BMW or Nismo for Nissan or Speed for Mazda that covers upgrades under warrany You seem like a savvy tuner...have you not realized that most tuners don't really care about warranties? You do...ok thats fair enough, but most people would agree that much more is availble through the after market that is better performance wise and costs less than a dealer installed option.(Yes they are expensive). Now i guess honda realizes this, there are so many aftermarket parts available for pretty much any civic its ridiculous. Whereas the 3...well i guess i don't really have to explain to you the snub the aftermaket has given the 3. Unfair yes, but its the truth: there is very little available for it speed3 or otherwise. I guess in that case, you need mazda speed parts: They are the only ones who will make them for you. A buddy of mine is running about 19psi through an old b16 si motor that he has a stage 4 turbo on and it puts 320 hp to the wheels...just to give you an example. i wish they would give there customer more tuner options Kinda contradicts the concept of a tuner huh? Arent parts the tuners job? But again i realize there will be very little parts available so thats understandable. Also the Honda can only take apprx 8psi in boost without having to do some engine work to upgrade it, also the MAS sensor only will allow so much boost and the electronic throttle by wire has some tuners wishing this feature was left out Yeah a lot of them do wish it was out, but to say that it can only take about 8psi seems a litte underrated..again i'll reference my friends old b series engine... the k series is quite capable and even if it needs engine work...thats the whole part of 'tuning'. You don't just bolt on stuff whereever you want. On the 2nd day i had the Si i was troubled with the digital speedo, it was distracting to me and i felt it never worked for my liking, it was always in your face and moving. I no its supposed to be in your face , but it was bothersome after awhile.I actually thought to mysely i made a mistake here in buying the Si. My friends that have a Si and other civics respect this viewpoint, but 80% of them like it, but i do not. This was also a big reason for me trading it in as well as the warranty issue and power issue, probably the power isssue the least for the Si has enough you just have to rev it high all the time to get there, which is cool, but I prefer it to come on sooner, thats why i almost supercharged it. This whole entire paragraph makes me wonder why you even bought the si. The speedo is really out there; i love it, but most people who hate it realize it immediatley...you don't grow to hate it in this case. Did you even bother to test drive it? Another thing that a test drive would have revealed the FIRST TIME that it need to be revved to make power. Heck even looking at the specs on PAPER would tell you that a car that has only 139lbs of torque that peaks very close the redline isn't going to have a lot of initial grunt. Thats common sense.
#46 of 48 Im done here by drumbira Dec 08, 2006 (10:50 am)
Good luck with your car. Yes i test drove the si and initially thought the speedo was cool, but i was wrong. I made a mistake and other magazines, Car and Driver feels the same way i do, and also Spoet Compact Car also feels the si missed the boat without FORCED air induction so far as tuning the Speed 3 its fast enough stock.With a air intake and exhaust it will put out 290 hp and 300 lbs torque and thats enough for me.ALL WARRANTIED!! I test drive ALL cars that seem like fun but my preference is Compact Cars although i appreciate all styles. Replies to this message: eldaino (Dec 08, 2006 11:19 am) drumbira (Dec 08, 2006 1:53 pm)
#47 of 48 Re: Im done here [drumbira] by eldaino Dec 08, 2006 (11:19 am)
Replying to: drumbira (Dec 08, 2006 10:50 am) SCC should know better, forced indcution is sometimes harder to work around when tuning up a car, but whatever. Most reviews i have ever heard about the si indicate a huge return to form that exceeding expectations. I guess you can't please everyone. Those are impressive numbers for the ms3..just with a intake and exhaust, so impressive i doubt their validity. 300lbs of torque in a fwd car? Can you say torque steer? Replies to this message: drumbira (Dec 08, 2006 1:53 pm)
#48 of 48 Speed3 by drumbira Dec 08, 2006 (1:53 pm)
Replying to: eldaino (Dec 08, 2006 11:19 am) Anyway, read all the reviewes for the speed3. ALL the reviewes quoted that Mazda sent all the writers and Magazine reviewers to the track with a stock Speed3 and also a tuned speed3 from Mazda with there tuning package. Coilovers, exhaust,shocks, rims, tires, air intake. All the reviwers were quoted that a big difference can be felt in power as well as handling. Jack Stavana head of MazdaSpeed accessory dept was doing the quoting and all the writers seemed to agree as well as SCC Oct 2006 issue. I so far have not had a issue with torque steer although i do not race, i like to get up to speed 80 to90 in a hurry when the chance arrives, otherwise i get up to the speed limit quickly. Either way the Speed3 in fun and a great buy!! . As a last line on the Si, yes it has returned to form and gotton better, but i still enjoyed my older ones as well, although they were bashed as well....