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If you buy a Prius over a Yaris you will pay thousands for that decision. I would urge anyone considering such a purchase to do a carefull study of the bottom line. The Prius is not a viable economic proposition. (compared to the Yaris or better yet, a used ECHO)
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Replying to: kneisl1 (Jun 12, 2007 8:12 am) 1. You want to make a statement about the environment with your car. Prius does this outstandingly. 2. You want partial-zero emissions, as opposed to ULEV (Echo) or ?? (Yaris - is it LEV or ULEV? I think it is just LEV). 3. You want seat heaters, a 10-speaker factory stereo, cameras everywhere, keyless start, the list goes on and on. If you want a high-tech or luxurious car that gets fantastic gas mileage and has rock-bottom emissions, the Prius can't be beat, and the Echo isn't a contender. If you are looking for basic transportation that is rock-solid-reliable, has high fuel economy and low emissions, and can keep up with the crowd on the road, well then Echo or Yaris is your man! 
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Right. Toyota should make people sign a statement saying just that. It should also say "I understand I wont be saving any money."
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Replying to: kneisl1 (Jun 13, 2007 4:20 am) |
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| That is commendable of the saleman. Although in the fall of 2000 when I bought my ECHO a Prius was $30,000 at my Toyota dealer. I would point out that if the Prius averages 10 mpg more than the ECHO (50vs40) then in 100,000 miles the Prius will burn 2000 gallons to the ECHOS 2500 gallons. At $3 a gallon thats $1500. It would only be fair to deduct any costs for repairing the hybrid system after the warranty expires. Which could be considerable.You chose wisely IMHO. | |
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Replying to: nippononly (Jun 12, 2007 7:38 pm) Anyway, the Echo is INDEED a contender as far as I'm concerned. I just bought a 2004 used one, and it is just as "rock-solid" reliable as the Prius in terms of durability, in fact a lot of the parts look like they could be nearly interchangeable. Look on the net & you'll find several forums where people have ridden their Echos up to or past the 100K-mile mark and are writing about its integrity and reliability. But yes, the Prius does beat the Echo on emissions (of course) when it's traveling at 15 mph in town because it's running on its battery. So one out of three of your list of three -- it's an important factor, but if I actually had at least $15000 extra that I'd have to spend for a prius, would I put it in a car for around town, or could I buy 15 electric bikes.
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| The engine of the Prius and the ECHO is nearly identical. When I bought my 2001 ans saw it side by side with a Prius I thought the Prius was a hybrid ECHO that cost over twice as much. I like the cars understated elegance however. | |
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Replying to: jbugk (Jun 22, 2007 9:15 pm) And most of my remarks were directed at the current Prius model available since 2004. I have driven the pre-'04 (like your ex's '02) quite extensively, though, and I agree: there is nothing whatsoever about it that is high tech except the powertrain. And it was a fairly miserable drive at that, and did no better than the Echo did for gas mileage. Now if I wanted all the gadgetry and they offered a Prius with a stick and some sort of handling package, I would probably look at it very seriously. But as things stand, I am enjoying my minimalist phase, and my Echo has yet to need a repair, now at 85K miles.
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Replying to: nippononly (Jun 23, 2007 7:36 pm) |
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Yes fdelapena you are right. The Prius gets about 10 mpg more than an ECHO. (maybe) So if the Prius gets 50 mpg and the ECHO 40 mpg then in 100,000 miles the Prius will burn 2000 gallons of gas and the ECHO 2500. At $3 a gallon that a savings of $1500. I bought my ECHO in 2000 for $13,100 bottom line taxes and everything. At the time a Prius was $30,000. Thats without taxes but also without a possible government tax break. Still that $17,000 i saved right off the bat. Plus interest on $17,000 over the past 7 years. So youre gonna havta do about 1,000,000,000 miles of driving just to break even.
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