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#279 of 345 in my Echo by nippononly Dec 24, 2008 (11:21 am)
which is also a 5 speed, I am also very pleased with the Rostra cruise. It helps on longer trips in boosting mpg, among other things.   I have also noticed a decrease in mpg the last few tankfuls, and I am also in California. I know there is a winter mix for the fuel in this state, which is what I think we are buying now, and with winter fuel you will notice a decrease in mileage. I always do. Between that and the morning temps, which are now close to freezing as opposed to the 40s and 50s we have the rest of the year, my tank-by-tank mpg is running about 3-4 points lower (for me, that means single tank readings of 39-40 mpg) than it was prior to December 1.
#280 of 345 A fill up for under $15 by mnman Dec 24, 2008 (8:09 pm)
I am getting gas here (Minnesota) with a coupon which is always available for $1.42, I filled up for $12! I saw gas for $1.29 recently in Texas, but it was all gone!! It was going for more at other stations though...   I will need to check into the valve clearance issue, I do have a factory manual that is quite comprehensive....I remember seeing something about it in the book. My goal is to get 300K miles out of my ECHO. I need to do more cross-country trips soon. It's hard to do when I am so close to work, only 3 miles one way. I got it for the long weekend trips.
#281 of 345 vc by kneisl1 Dec 24, 2008 (8:16 pm)
Its relatively easy to CHECK the valve clearances yourself. Just remove the valve cover, get a feeler gauge and learn the clearances of the intake and exhaust valves, turn the engine so the lobes of the cams point UP, and check them. Mark off the ones you di and turn the cams again so the lobes point up until youve done them all. Most likely they will not need adjusting. If you check them and they are OK you are good to go and can sleep at night soundly. If they need adjusting, especially if the clearances are TIGHT, probably you have to take them to the shop.
#282 of 345 Auto ECHO by kneisl1 Jan 07, 2009 (2:32 pm)
Im approaching the first fillup of my recently purchased 2004 ECHO with AT. The gauge needle is hovering just shy of the half full mark and I have traveled 170 miles since fillup. The operation of the gauge appears to be very like that of my 2001. If I filled it right now I bet it would take 5.2 gallons. So 170/ 5.2 = about 32 mpg. Driving it exactly as I drove my 2001 with MT which averaged around 40 mpg same route.
#283 of 345 31? by kneisl1 Jan 08, 2009 (9:23 am)
Actual numbers: 173 miles /5.6 gallons = (almost) 31 mpg. A little disappointing. I was going no more than 35 mph. I wonder is the auto transmission in high gear at 35? Replies to this message: rockman3 (Jan 08, 2009 9:38 am) mcdawgg (Jan 08, 2009 4:52 pm) nippononly (Jan 08, 2009 7:09 pm)
#284 of 345 Re: 31? [kneisl1] by rockman3 Jan 08, 2009 (9:38 am)
Replying to: kneisl1 (Jan 08, 2009 9:23 am) My mechanic told me that on many Toyotas and Hondas, including my 2002 Echo, the air conditioner turns on when the defrost is activated. This being winter, I use the defrost more often, so I suppose I have been inadvertently using the AC. My MPG has been a disappointing 32-34. So I've been trying to minimize my use of the defrost and I'll post soon when I'm able to convey my hopefully new improved fuel economy. Replies to this message: mcdawgg (Jan 08, 2009 4:52 pm)
#285 of 345 Re: 31? [rockman3] by mcdawgg Jan 08, 2009 (4:52 pm)
Replying to: rockman3 (Jan 08, 2009 9:38 am) True, but the compressor does not run much at all, especially below 45 degrees, so I bet you won't notice much, if any, difference.
#286 of 345 Re: 31? [kneisl1] by nippononly Jan 08, 2009 (7:09 pm)
Replying to: kneisl1 (Jan 08, 2009 9:23 am) I wonder is the auto transmission in high gear at 35?   It may be, but I bet the TC is not locked at that speed - the larger heavier Matrix I had wouldn't lock up the TC until 37 mph, so I bet the Echo wouldn't lock up until at least 40 mph or more, with its smaller engine. And if it's slipping, your gas mileage will be less than optimal.....
#287 of 345 trans by kneisl1 Jan 08, 2009 (8:08 pm)
I got a tip to try pushing the OD on/OD off button to OD OFF which will make only 3 of the 4 speeds useable. So if you push the button and the engine revs up, then it must have been in 4th.   But I think Ill try driving 40-45 until the next fillup and see if that helps...
#288 of 345 updates by kneisl1 Jan 24, 2009 (8:29 am)
Had my second fillup on the new 2004 ECHO and again got 31 mpg, maybe a fraction over. Increased cruising speed to 45 mph from 35 mph and saw no improvement...    The wife has been driving my old 2001 5 speed to work. My daughters car in in the shop and shes driving the wifes car. The ODO has 190 miles since the last fillup and the gas gauge is well below the half way mark. Probably way less than 35 mpg. I routinely get 35-38 mpg winter driving to work with this car...

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