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#218 of 370 class action suit?
Mar 04, 2010 (7:05 pm)
I had posted a while back about my accident in Dec 2009 that I had with my 2009 Prius, where my brakes failed at a low speed and rear-ended the car in front of me. I've been seeing lately a lot of people noting that 2nd gens have been also experiencing the problems and are upset that Toyota hasn't done anything to find a solution. I am one that is very upset as well. I have brought the car in to be inspected and called Toyota multiple times about my brakes before and AFTER the accident and they keep telling me "there's nothing wrong w/ them" despite almost everyday occurences of going over potholes and feeling that temporary loss of sensation from braking. My favorite was when they were trying to argue with me on the phone what happened- "your car must have slid on something, like ice." <---- Really? I did a walk around my car after the accident.. there was no ice/ no snow/zilch. Your car has a defect!! Oh and my other favorite Toyota rep. telling me to just trade the car in if that's how I felt. Overall, I'm frustrated and don't know what's the next step about this car and how to deal with Toyota... So here's my question: Any one aware of any civil action suits involving the 2nd generation brakes? Because I would love to know so I can hop on board and have Toyota solve the problem for the whole Prius line and feel safe driving it again. I've absolutely had it with Toyota right now.
#219 of 370 Re: Prius 2010 Brake fix [whitecliff]
Mar 05, 2010 (6:59 am)
So why are you still driving it?
#220 of 370 Re: Prius 2010 Brake fix [whitecliff]
Mar 05, 2010 (8:44 am)
"..I was slowing for a turn..." "..car surged forward.."
In the circumstance you describe the VSC may have activated as the result of detecting some minor level of understearing/plowing, or possibly even a bit of over-stearing. If you are already on the brakes then VSC activation will sometimes result in "unbraking"(***) one of both front wheels.
*** Sometimes that might mean an instant disabling of regen braking and the resulting "lurch" forward "seat of the pants" feeling. If the frictional brakes are also already in use then the regen will be disabled along with unbraking of the frictional brakes on one of the front wheels.
#221 of 370 Brakes failed to stop my 2010 prius and wreck ocurred
Mar 05, 2010 (1:04 pm)
Last night I was out driving on a rural road, came to a hair pin cure, one I have driven through hundreds of times, couldn't seem to slow down enough to make the curve and went straight into the grass embankment. Car is not at the auto body shop with I am sure at least $5,000 or more damage to the front end. I have only had the car for three weeks. After it was all over, I just could not understand what or how this happened. After having some time to replay everything in my mind, I believe it is the prius brake issue. Country road, potholes, and some gravel on the road. Wow, my honda accord never had a problem with this cure which I travel almost daily. I am very concerned and upset. I was only going about 30-35 mph when I began breaking. Any one else exp this type of problem?
#222 of 370 Re: Brakes failed to stop my 2010 prius and wreck ocurred [cgolliher]
Mar 07, 2010 (4:26 pm)
I believe that I have (see earlier posts) but I do not have enough hard data to know for sure, ie: I do not know the exact distance I was away from the car I rear-ended, although my habit is to travel at least 100 feet behind cars in front of me, as I know that tail-gaiting is unsafe. I, too, was only travelling 35-40 mph, if that, as I remember I had just come around a turn at about 25 mph (the speed limit for that turn, even though most people were driving faster than that). I often use cruise control to improve my gas mileage and prevent myself from speeding, and I was just getting up to speed as the speed limit after the turn was something like 40 mph. Anyways, like I said, the are too many subjective factors in my case. I have a 2007 Prius.
#223 of 370 Re: Brakes failed to stop my 2010 prius and wreck ocurred [07prius]
Mar 07, 2010 (5:50 pm)
P.S.: For me, I think the problem is more to do with the TRAC system than the brakes. I took my Prius to the dealer and reported this to them, however, go the same line as everyone else: "The car's operating as it was designed to." TRAC cuts power to the engine and brakes when the computer senses that there's even a slight loss of traction, which naturally happens when panic braking, and this is not what needs to happen when in a situation where panic breaking is necessary. Yes, I know we're all better drivers than everyone else, but sometimes there are situations where panic breaking is necessary no matter how safe of a driver you are.
#224 of 370 Re: Prius 2010 Brake fix [whitecliff]
Mar 09, 2010 (6:15 pm)
I had my 2010 Brake Fix about 3 weeks ago.(after reporting the problem to the dealer and being told there is nothing wrong 4 times) The problem of slowing down, hitting a bumb and the temporary loss of brakes is gone. What the fix has now created is another problem that I have now experienced 3 times since the "fix"- when I am slowing down the car and hit a pot hole or bumb while turinng the car lunges forward. It is not something that I can not control, but the car litterally rattles and moves forward. I have contacted toyoto corporate and have an appointment with service for Friday- I can pretty much guarantee they will tell me as they have in the past there is nothing wrong with the brakes- my experience with my Prius has changed my opinion of Toyota, and I truly believe the Prius is over "electronic" and they simply do not know how to fix it- My original intention with the 2010 was to allow my 16 year old twins to drive this car when they are able to drive. I would never permit a new driver to use this car- the braking is still a major issue and Toyota after the recall has failed to address the "new" problem..shame on Toyota
I have every intention of seeing this through, I did not buy a new car only to have to alter my driving, while Toyota denies their Gremlins...I intend to utlilize my rights under the Lemon Law in my state and through arbritation..the question is, when they refund my money what "car" shall I buy? S
#225 of 370 Re: Prius 2010 Brake fix [margieprius]
Mar 09, 2010 (9:42 pm)
I also purchased my new prius with all intentions of allowing my 15 year old drive this car as he learns to dirve. NO WAY will I allow him behind the wheel of this Pruis!!!!! It could be his coffin!!!!!!!!!!!!! If your car is lunging forward after exp uneven roadway, that is what mine did after the brakes failed. I do not believe that Toyota totally understands how to completely fix all their problems. I DO NOT TRUST TOYOTA at this time !In response to your question as to what to purchase next, check out the Ford Fusion hybrid. It is a nice car with good gas mileage and no reported problems as of this date. As for me, after my collision, and the "NO RESPONSE" I am getting from Toyota, I am going back to a car made by an American car company. I had 3 Ford Explorers during their recalls. Ford was prompt and I felt taken care of, and most of all safe.
#226 of 370 Re: Prius 2010 Brake fix [cgolliher]
Mar 10, 2010 (4:10 am)
The media and many posts on this board comment on how the problem with the Prius and other Toyota cars could be electronic. I think we need to be more accurate. I don't believe the electronics (circuitry) is the problem, and when Toyota says the electronics isn't the problem, I tend to believe them.
My strong belief (based on years of designing software for engine and transmission controllers) is that the SOFTWARE is the problem. Either in the ABS or the Engine controller, or quite possibly the communications between them. The low incident rate for failure is a primary indicator to me tha the problem is software rather than hardware - hydraulic or electronic - since the physical problems would tend to persist continually rather than rarely.
Note that the 2010 Prius recall involves "flashing" the ECM (reprogramming the Engine Control Module).
#227 of 370 Runaway San Diego Prius
Mar 10, 2010 (6:12 am)
Did anyone see the report that was featured all day long on all the news channels yesterday ( Tuesday, 09 March 2010 ). It featured an older man and his '08 blue Prius ( license # FRUGL 08 ). He was reported to have reached speeds of 94mph and was "rescued" by a state trooper.
The ordeal lasted some 30mi as he swerved in/out of traffic to avoid collisions.
The thing that surprised me was the fact that the man was afraid to place the transmission in "neutral", since he did not "have a lot of experience with these transmissions", and that he was afraid the car would "flip" if he shifted into neutral. I don't understand.