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Fusion S model by netranger4
Apr 24, 2007 (11:44 pm)
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Nearly purchased a new Fusion S model till I discovered that the only interior upholstery fabrics were all light shades of tan. In everyday usage these light colors will get dirty without a frequent schedule of cleaning. Many prospective buyers have been put off by this limited color selection in the S model.
 
The engine noise, under light acceleration, also needs some attention. Can soundproofing materials be so costly that the bean counters can justify loss of sales by omitting as much as possible?
 
Engine noise in the 4-cylinder cars needs attention. The Fusion is a wonderful car which can only be made more appealing by rectifying details which are probably not costly.
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Re: Fusion S model [netranger4] by jeffyscott
Apr 25, 2007 (9:58 am)
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Replying to: netranger4 (Apr 24, 2007 11:44 pm)

There is gray as well as tan available in the S.
 
You do have to go to SE to get black, but the invoice price difference between S and SE is only about $660, according to edmunds.
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Manumatic by bpizzuti
Apr 25, 2007 (10:06 am)
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The title says it all.
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Why I hate manumatics. by mschmal
Apr 25, 2007 (2:55 pm)
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IF the automatic transmission does what it is suppose to do, when it is suppose to, you don't need or want a "manumatic".
 
No manumatic I am familar with provides the type of shift response I would expect in order to bother useing the feature.
 
Mark.
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Re: Why I hate manumatics. [mschmal] by bpizzuti
Apr 25, 2007 (3:00 pm)
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Replying to: mschmal (Apr 25, 2007 2:55 pm)

I want it for engine braking, especially in snow. An "L" entry on an automatic usually doesn't cut it.
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Re: Why I hate manumatics. [mschmal] by akirby
Apr 25, 2007 (5:12 pm)
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Replying to: mschmal (Apr 25, 2007 2:55 pm)

You don't use a manumatic as a substitute for a manual - it's not. You use it to PREVENT the automatic from shifting to a higher gear. Or to force a downshift before you step on the throttle. Or to force it into a higher gear sooner. It's all about controlling the shifts (or lack thereof), not about rowing through the gears like a true manual.
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Re: Why I hate manumatics. [akirby] by brucelinc
Apr 26, 2007 (5:10 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Apr 25, 2007 5:12 pm)

Allen, you absolutely nailed it! This topic has been discussed over and over on Edmunds and there are those who always say, "If you want to shift, just buy a car with a stick." Or some might say, "The transmission engineers are smarter than you - just let the transmission shift when it is designed to." With all due respect, those folks just don't get it.
 
I would add that automatic transmissions cannot "see" traffic patterns, traffic lights, upcoming hairpin turns, steep mountain roads, etc. With some manual control, an engaged driver can drive more smoothly, preventing upshifts and downshifts at inappropriate times, and as you say, force a downshift without applying throttle.
 
For those who don't care about that level of involvement, I understand. Some of us do care and will not consider a car without manual control of the automatic transmission.
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Re: Why I hate manumatics. [akirby] by mschmal
Apr 26, 2007 (5:15 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Apr 25, 2007 5:12 pm)

If you have to make the automatic shift gears, then whats the point of having an automatic?
 
The Fusion as it is does not need a manumatic.
 
In my mind, Manumatics are for torque deficient engines or engines that have to hit high revs for torque. In the past cars like this tended to have autos that shifted too soon "
for fuel economy reasons".
 
The four cylinder Fusion has no problem holding gears as long as you are into the throttle, much more so than any other car I have driven. Also, this engine seems to be pretty torquee off of the line.
 
The Manumatic is just an expensive gadgit that most people would never use if it was there. Since there is a 5 speed option with the 4 cylinder engine, whats the point?
 
As for the 6 cylinder, this 6 speed trans is suppose to know what the car is doing and hold gears, especially cornering.
 
Mark.
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Re: Why I hate manumatics. [mschmal] by akirby
Apr 26, 2007 (9:12 am)
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Replying to: mschmal (Apr 26, 2007 5:15 am)

Some people want an automatic most of the time but also want the ability to manually control the gear selection from time to time.
 
It's not very expensive now that all (or almost all) trannies are shifted by the PCM - you just need a shifter with two contact switches and some software.
 
I'm living without it on my Fusion but if I had it I would definitely use it a couple of times a week.
 
Don't criticize something if you've never tried it.
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It's cheap by jeffyscott
Apr 26, 2007 (11:08 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Apr 26, 2007 9:12 am)

In the 4 cyl, the "manumatic" on the Mazda6 sells for about $50 more than the L only automatic on the Fusion. I assume these are more or less the same transmissions, otherwise.

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