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Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan: Tell Ford What You Want!

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Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan: Tell Ford What You Want! by KarenS HOST
Jul 14, 2006 (11:56 am)
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What suggestions would you make to Ford for a better Fusion/Milan?
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4cyl 2.3 by scape2
Jul 13, 2006 (7:53 am)
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is really a very good engine. This ending was developed by Mazda. Its reliability/HP/Torque/refinement are very good. I can see Ford boosting the HP from this engine to 170-180 in the coming years. Wouldn't be too hard to do either and very little cost to Ford. Are you listening Ford??
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Re: 4cyl 2.3 [scape2] by sturm_ruger
Jul 13, 2006 (10:59 am)
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Replying to: scape2 (Jul 13, 2006 7:53 am)

In the MazdaSpeed 6, that engine cranks out 274 HP, thanks to a turbo and direct injection. It is also EPA-rated at 20 mpg in the city and 26 mpg on the highway, not bad for a hot rod sedan.
 
It would be really great if Ford would offer a performance model of the Fusion with this engine and the 6-speed manual transaxle from the Mazda.
 
There's good reason for Ford to do it, since it doesn't appear to be in any hurry to put the 3.5 liter V6 in the Fusion or to offer a manual transmission with any V6 in the model. The Fusion is the model Ford chose to associate with its NASCAR racing effort, so it really has to do something to support that performance image on the street.
 
Pimped rides and Roush "appearance packages" aren't enough. There has to be some serious "go" somewhere in the equation.
 
Is anyone in Dearborn reading this forum?
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Re: 4cyl 2.3 [sturm_ruger] by badgerfan
Jul 13, 2006 (11:14 am)
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Replying to: sturm_ruger (Jul 13, 2006 10:59 am)

You want performance? Ford has it: Mustang, with some of the performance versions coming out, you can get all you want and in a rear wheel drive platform that can handle it better. Does a midsize sedan really need a performance version?
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Re: 4cyl 2.3 [badgerfan] by snakeweasel
Jul 13, 2006 (11:31 am)
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Replying to: badgerfan (Jul 13, 2006 11:14 am)

Does a midsize sedan really need a performance version?
 
Only when you want to put Mustang owners in their place.
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Re: 4cyl 2.3 [sturm_ruger] by heel2toe
Jul 13, 2006 (12:54 pm)
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Replying to: sturm_ruger (Jul 13, 2006 10:59 am)

Certain ford performance vehicles in Europe (Focus ST, S-Max) seem to use the 2.5T from the Volvo parts bin, which produces comparable numbers to the Mazda engine...
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Re: 4cyl 2.3 [badgerfan] by mz6greyghost
Jul 13, 2006 (1:01 pm)
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Replying to: badgerfan (Jul 13, 2006 11:14 am)

Does a midsize sedan really need a performance version?
 
If Ford wants to sell more cars, then yes.
 
I bet a lot of potential buyers are like me. They want a car that's fun to drive, with a firmer ride, tighter steering, and better braking. A sedan that doesn't ride like a boat or fall over on itself in a tight curve. These people also have a family, or carry items for a business. In other words, they NEED a four-door, because kids, potential clients, even their boss doesn't want to climb into the back seat of a two-door. Folding rear seats are nice to have as well.
 
The ideal solution is to have two cars, obviously. But most people (like me) can't afford two cars, or don't have the room. Hence the "performance" sedan...
 
Granted, they won't out-handle or accelerate faster than a Porsche 911, but they allow a driver to feel more connected to the road, making the drive more enjoyable. They're not as big as an SUV or minivan, but they do have a real back seat and four doors. In essence, it's the Jack of all trades, but master of none.
 
These sedans are rare, and due to the (unfounded) popularity of the Camry (which rides like a Buick and plows through highway off-ramps worse than a bus), other automakers are abandoning them to sell more "vanilla" sedans. Look at the '07 Maxima for example. Nissan decided to DROP the 6-speed manual transmission completely from it's flagship sedan, a decision that they'll soon regret I bet...
 
Ford has the opportunity of stepping up and marketing a "performance" sedan, with the 3.5L or the turbo-4 from the MS6, a genuine 6-speed manual (as an option to replace the pathetic "manu-matic" slushbox or CVT that's now being peddled these days), a firmer suspension, more agressive looks (without the boy-racer airplane wing on the trunk), at a price that undercuts BMW, Audi and Acura.
 
I know it'd make my short list, and a lot of others as well.
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Re: 4cyl 2.3 [badgerfan] by sturm_ruger
Jul 13, 2006 (1:36 pm)
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Replying to: badgerfan (Jul 13, 2006 11:14 am)

Does a midsize sedan really need a performance version?
 
The Fusion does.
 
1. As I mentioned, the Fords in NASCAR's Busch and Nextel Cup series all have "FUSION" painted in bigt letters on their noses. This racing effort needs to be backed up by serious street cred.
 
2. The Fusion has such good handling that it begs for more power or at least a manual transaxle to compliment it. Then it will be a true "driver's car."
 
3. Midsize sedans are the most competitve class of cars on the market. For Ford to win this segment, the Fusion has to offer equal or better performance than the best runners in the class. The Altima 3.5, Legacy 2.5 GT and Passat 2.0T are all performance-oriented. And the Pontiac G6 and even the Accord V6 at least offer potential drivers the choice of shifting for themselves.
 
4. For a young couple with small children who can only afford one vehicle, a Mustang just isn't practical. For those who fit this description and desire a car which rewards its driver, the "sports sedan" is their answer. I can remember when the only sports sedans came from Europe and were limited to the Alfa Romeo Berlinetta and the BMW Bavaria.
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Re: 4cyl 2.3 [mz6greyghost] by mf15
Jul 13, 2006 (1:53 pm)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Jul 13, 2006 1:01 pm)

I too would love to see the 3.5 in the Fusion with AWD all for about 22500 street price. Otherwise by next year when I am out of my Jeep GC lease the 07 Altima looks good, but no AWD. I suppose I can live without AWD since we also have an AWD 05 Escape but I like AWD.
Why cars cost so much today, I think the American people have succumbed to what is taught in marketing 101.
Old Mike
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Re: 4cyl 2.3 [mz6greyghost] by jeffyscott
Jul 13, 2006 (2:06 pm)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Jul 13, 2006 1:01 pm)

I bet a lot of potential buyers are like me.
 
I guess not...you point out yourself the popularity of the camry. If there were a lot of buyers looking for what you are, I don't think Camry would be #1.
 
I doubt Nissan will regret dropping the manual transmission on Maxima. Instead I think it's more likely that Mazda regrets not having an automatic available for the Mazdaspeed6.

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