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#53 of 72 Oh, it DEFINITELY would.....no doubt about that..... by larsb Jul 19, 2006 (2:45 pm)
gary says "Many cars have instant mileage readouts"-end quote   Not enough. Far too few. My point is that ALL HYBRIDS SHOULD and that is not an opinion but an obviously plain observation from an educated hybrid advocate.   And of course it would save gas if people knew. That's how anything is saved...   1. you save electricity in your home because there is a meter. 2. you save water in your home because it is metered and you know how much you are using.   If you have a meter, you will use it when your WALLET is associated with it. That's undeniable. Replies to this message: gagrice (Jul 19, 2006 2:50 pm) larsb (Jul 19, 2006 6:47 pm) gagrice (Jul 19, 2006 7:54 pm) and 3 more...
#54 of 72 Re: Oh, it DEFINITELY would.....no doubt about that..... [larsb] by gagrice Jul 19, 2006 (2:50 pm)
Replying to: larsb (Jul 19, 2006 2:45 pm) 1. you save electricity in your home because there is a meter. 2. you save water in your home because it is metered and you know how much you are using.   C'mon how many people check their electric and water meters? That is craziness. I turn off lights and use the AC and heat sparingly. But I don't remember ever checking the meter. I just think it is another crutch that is not needed and adds cost to the car. KISS is a good motto that cars are drifting too far away from. Makes me want to buy older cars and fix them up. I don't like the tinny plastic cars we are being sold today. They get worse every year not better. Replies to this message: larsb (Jul 19, 2006 6:47 pm) gagrice (Jul 19, 2006 7:54 pm) larsb (Jul 20, 2006 4:42 am) larsb (Jul 20, 2006 4:45 am) and 1 more...
#55 of 72 One other point by pf_flyer HOST Jul 19, 2006 (4:01 pm)
There's apparently enough that's distracting to people behind the wheel as is. I don't think giving them something else that you want them to monitor while they're driving is high on my list of tasks I'd add
#56 of 72 Chat night by pf_flyer HOST Jul 19, 2006 (4:49 pm)
We have an open chat tonight that i'm hosting if you guys want to take this up there!   The Edmunds Member Chat is on tonight. The chat room opens at 8:45PM ET Hope to see YOU there! Check out the schedule
#57 of 72 Re: Oh, it DEFINITELY would.....no doubt about that..... [gagrice] by larsb Jul 19, 2006 (6:47 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Jul 19, 2006 2:50 pm) you AS USUAL missed my point Gary........   I meant to imply that people will CARE about improving gas mileage WHEN THEY CAN MEASURE IT THEMSELVES AND CONTROL THEIR CONSUMPTION.   And to do that, a hybrid needs a real-time MPG meter.   It's not deniable. They need it. As a self-educated hybrid expert and hybrid advocate and owner of two hybrids and a Segway, I have credentials in these areas.   Hybrid cars need real-time MPG meters to help the drivers learn how ro reduce fuel usage and improve the economy. All cars need them, but hybrids even MORESO because they have the technology to make the information PAY OFF in the POCKETBOOK of the owner.   If the owners who "don't want another distraction" want to keep their eyes on the road all the time, more power to them. But to those who WANT such a tool, it's inexcusable to leave it off the vehicle.   It's like my old Granpappy used to tell me:   Sonny Boy, it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it !!! Replies to this message: gagrice (Jul 19, 2006 7:54 pm) larsb (Jul 20, 2006 4:42 am) larsb (Jul 20, 2006 4:45 am) gagrice (Jul 20, 2006 5:36 am)
#58 of 72 Re: Oh, it DEFINITELY would.....no doubt about that..... [larsb] by gagrice Jul 19, 2006 (7:54 pm)
Replying to: larsb (Jul 19, 2006 6:47 pm) Hybrid cars need real-time MPG meters   Hybrids need to get EPA mileage without all that crappola. I thought I read on the TCH thread that you did not get all the fancy mileage features without the NAV. Didn't you buy the stripped version? Replies to this message: larsb (Jul 20, 2006 4:42 am) larsb (Jul 20, 2006 4:45 am) gagrice (Jul 20, 2006 5:36 am)
#59 of 72 Re: Oh, it DEFINITELY would.....no doubt about that..... [gagrice] by larsb Jul 20, 2006 (4:42 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Jul 19, 2006 7:54 pm) I did buy the base model, and it has a real time MPG meter in the form of a needle gauge. It provides all the info I need to figure out how to drive the car.   I'm at a disadvantage (like I was with my HCH) because my commute is so short (7 miles one way in the summer and about 6 miles one way during the school year) so my car is usually more than halfway finished before the car will go into EV mode.   This short commute is all that kept me from getting 52-53 MPG from my HCH, and it's likely to keep my TCH numbers at 36-37 MPG.   The TCH shines at highway speeds though. I have a little video of the dashboard at 75 MPH and the real-time mileage registering at 45-55 MPG at that speed.   Anyone who drives a solid 15+ mile hwy commute at 50-75 MPH should seriously consider the TCH.
#60 of 72 Re: Oh, it DEFINITELY would.....no doubt about that..... [gagrice] by larsb Jul 20, 2006 (4:45 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Jul 19, 2006 7:54 pm) As far as the EPA mileage variance, once the EPA revises their test to meet 2008 reality of the way people drive, the 2008 models will do a much better job of reaching EPA. They say that's the plan - revised test for the 2008 model year cars.   I also think the EPA tested the TCH, because the early reports had the TCH at 43 city/37 hwy and then the EPA ratings came out and it was 40/38. I think Toyota gave the EPA the 43/37 and after the Prius bruhaha, the EPA decided to test the TCH themselves. Replies to this message: gagrice (Jul 20, 2006 5:36 am)
#61 of 72 Re: Oh, it DEFINITELY would.....no doubt about that..... [larsb] by gagrice Jul 20, 2006 (5:36 am)
Replying to: larsb (Jul 20, 2006 4:45 am) I agree that the EPA ratings for the TCH seem closer to reality. It seems from those posting that you get better highway mileage than city. Not sure how they came up with the higher city rating if the car was actually tested. None of the hybrids have turned in better city mileage than hwy in real life. I think they put too much weight on the auto shutdown. I am planning to make a test after it cools down a bit here in San Diego. I will disable the auto shutdown and see if it drops the mileage. My 2005 GMC hybrid averaged 15.14 MPG for the first year and 3665 miles. The last month has been nearly AZ hot with AC blasting. I noticed the last 400 miles it has dropped to 14.53 MPG. I will test it for several fillups without the auto shutdown and see if it is better or worse. One report said if the stop was less than 2 minutes it takes more gas to start the engine than if it was idling. Of course with your HSD it is entirely different.
#62 of 72 Let's stay on topic please by pf_flyer HOST Jul 20, 2006 (12:36 pm)
If you want to discuss the mileage you're getting with certain vehicles, please use the Browse By Vehicle search tool in the left sidebar to find the proper discussions.   Let's stick to the Vue debate here. We simply cannot go off into everything in every discussion.

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