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Hybrid Vehicles Saturn VUE Green Line Hybrid Is the Saturn Vue Green Line a Turning Point for Hybrids?
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 16, 2006 10:48 am) The average price of a new car, per the Comerica study, is right around $27,900. The average price is not what typical buyer spends... I can average a bunch of Audis and a Cobalt together and skew the numbers upwards, but more cobalts are going to be sold than Audis. The typical price that a new buyer spends on a car is in the low 20s last I read. Also the Vue does have a real time mileage gauge in the trip computer, and it also has a battery meter, and all the gadgets. It doesn't have touchscreen, which at least in my Prius, is an ergonomic disaster.
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Replying to: jonnycat26 (Jul 16, 2006 11:03 am) Measuring fuel savings Perhaps a more niggling issue for buyers of the Vue Green Line is the fact this SUV doesn't calculate the kind of mileage it's getting. Because the Vue's electronics are old, they do not gather data that would tell a driver if he or she got 25 mpg or 27 mpg or 30 mpg on a trip, according to Larry Nitz, executive director of GM's global hybrid powertrains. An aftermarket chip or sensor that could tap the vehicle's "communications bus," as Nitz put it, wouldn't get any mileage info, either. This leaves a busy driver to trust that she is getting the fuel savings promised. Note there is a green "Eco" light that comes on in the dashboard to tell a driver if she is, at that moment, getting better than the official fuel economy rating. But this light operates by reacting to such things as when a driver is coasting and letting up on the gas pedal. It is not tied to any real-time calculating. The solution for buyers is to manually calculate their miles-per-gallon - a cumbersome and disappointing development in this day when even many non-hybrid cars have electronics that automatically calculate and report fuel mileage. From this page: http://www.roadandtravel.com/roadtests/reviews/2006roadtests/newcarreviews/satur- nvuegreenline3.htm So that is what I'm complaining about. It's a step backward....as a two-time hybrid owner, I do know how valuable REAL-TIME MPG DATA is to achieving the absolute best MPG from a vehicle. This is a SAD development.
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Replying to: jonnycat26 (Jul 16, 2006 11:03 am) That's incorrect. I have kept track of this since July 2004, and every news story or study I can find since that time puts the "average price of a new car in the USA" to around the high $27,000s. If you can find something that shows different data, please post it - I'd like to see it. Thanks. |
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 16, 2006 11:54 am) So that is what I'm complaining about. It's a step backward....as a two-time hybrid owner, I do know how valuable REAL-TIME MPG DATA is to achieving the absolute best MPG from a vehicle. And I'm telling you, I've been in a vue (non hybrid obviously) and there is a trip computer that calculates your MPG. It isn't the same as the Prius, but the functionality is there! |
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 16, 2006 10:48 am) You need to read your own article. You left out a big part. You are only looking at the window sticker price. It is what it costs you including TTL AND financing charges. Your $27k TCH would come out around $35k with all those added costs. $20k -$21k MSRP is more the average selling price not the Price to own as your article reads. You are trying to have it both ways. That does not work. Comerica says the main reasons for the high prices are increased financing costs and because “consumers have used incentives to upgrade their vehicle choices.” Today a loaded TCH or Prius will have a sticker price of $31k and change. When you include TTL & financing it will be North of $40k. That is not your average buyer. Toyota Hybrids are for fat cats and those that like being in debt up to their EYEBALLS. The VUE hybrid is aimed at or just slightly above your average buyer. |
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The average price of a car includes all charges including finance charges. resulting in the worst reading for affordability in six years. Including finance charges, the total cost of buying an average-priced light vehicle was $29,200 in the fourth quarter, up 11 percent from a year ago. "Affordability has deteriorated over the past year because consumers are buying more expensive cars, financing a larger portion of those purchases, and paying higher interest rates on car loans," according to Dana Johnson, chief economist at Comerica Bank. Average car prices Hybrids may be the reason for higher priced cars? |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 16, 2006 1:54 pm) And Jonnycat, I don't know or care about the non-hybrid Vue - we are talking about the HYBRID VUE and it does NOT contain those basic hybrid instruments which all hybrids before it have utilized.....I think that is a step backward..... |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 16, 2006 1:54 pm) Gary, do what I did. Go to the "Toyota Prius - prices paid and buying experience" and review the prices which people have paid. Almost none of them are as high as $28K, and most are in the $25K to $26K range.
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 16, 2006 2:12 pm) When was the last time you saw a $22k Prius for sale on a lot?
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Replying to: larsb (Jul 16, 2006 2:15 pm) That is still $3k to $4k over what you are claiming is an entry level Prius. I say you won't find one. If you order one as a few folks have. It is 6-9 month wait. The dealers don't want to sell them. You are just being blind to the truth. Toyota hybrids are priced for the upper middle class PERIOD!!! And I give GM credit for offering a hybrid the bulk of the middle class can afford. |
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