Last post on Apr 18, 2012 at 6:14 AM
You are in the Honda Civic GX (natural gas)
What is this discussion about?
Honda Civic, Alternative Fuels, Hatchback
#222 of 231 Re: Diamond Bar - Pinnacle (SCAQMD) $2.30 [jetboatjohnny]
Mar 21, 2008 (12:34 pm)
So what does the psi mean? I own an F250 that won't fill on the 3600PSI side of the CE stations. If I get a GX and a Phill, those are 3600PSI. Still won't be able to fill up my tank...will a GX fill up at 3000PSI? Is the connection the same? How are you getting a 4100PSI fill?
#223 of 231 Re: CLEAN ENERGY is a scheister!! [kscng]
Mar 21, 2008 (5:45 pm)
I agree! I drive 28 miles now to get cleaner and much cheaper cng than CE's. Here in AZ, every time gasoline goes up, CE raises their prices (it's probably over $3/gge now)...which has NOTHING to do with natural gas...I too think they should be investigated! I have stopped using CE's fuel for a long time now...and will continue NOT to use it...
#224 of 231 Re: CNG prices [dsgd47]
Sep 26, 2008 (11:13 pm)
Just reading about your natural gas prices, here in Sydney Premium 98 petrol is about $1.70 per litre ($6.80 $A per US gallon) LPG (Liquid Petrolium Gas) is about 60cents per litre or $2.40 per US Gallon. My car a 1999 V6 Commodore manual is fitted with both petrol and gas and costs about $40 per week on gas V $90+ for petrol. Australia sells natural gas to China for about 5 cents per litre so why does it cost so much in USA?
#225 of 231 Natural gas not cheap anymore
Nov 15, 2008 (9:43 am)
Why is gas for cng's not coming down like regular gas is.? I pay 2.19 in Berkeley.
#226 of 231 Re: Natural gas not cheap anymore [kokaneemike]
by pf_flyer HOST
Nov 15, 2008 (5:14 pm)
I'm guessing that demand for natural gas hasn't changed as much as demand for crude oil and unleaded gas has
#227 of 231 Re: Natural gas not cheap anymore [kokaneemike]
Nov 17, 2008 (5:36 pm)
Natural Gas prices are dropping, but the prices are only changed once a month, rather than daily like gasoline prices. Home refueling is about $.75 a gge and remains the best value for cng pricing.
With the warm weather, maybe we'll see a significant drop in Dec. Oil prices won't stay low forever, and when they skyrocket once again... we'll still be smilin'.
#228 of 231 NG prices over the next 10 years
Apr 17, 2012 (5:12 pm)
Most posts in this Civic-NG forum date no later than 2009/10.
Yet the Civic-NG has a slightly improved 2012 version.
Has the excitement of NGV dwindled?
While garnering up information to decide if the Civic-NG is for me, I read two news articles today that may relate directly into NG prices in the coming years.
Both on C N N
1) U.S. OKs Sabine Pass natural gas export plant (Critics predict this will drive up NG prices)
2) Will gas crowd out wind and solar? (A Q&A with Energy Expert Daniel Yergin and his take on the upcoming rising demand for NG).
Both of these articles make me wonder if NG prices are sustainable in the long term after which you may expect to recoup the costs of the high priced Civic NG with fuel price differentials alone.
I don't have short-term plans to use home-fueling. And have no visibility for it in the long-term.
I see the posts on CNGprices and see so many troubling station comments related to operational/non-op and sub 70% fill-rates. It seems like a lot of time driving first to the lower cost station only to find a non-op 25% or more of the time, then driving to the next, wasting gas, time, peace of mind. Is this far from the truth?
Was the NGV experience something to be had in the 2000's, but what can we expect in the 2010's?
-2 Days Ago enthusiastic, today, not so sure.
#229 of 231 Re: NG prices over the next 10 years [marinewonder]
Apr 17, 2012 (6:08 pm)
I used to own a Honda GX, but now I sold it to buy a Nissan LEAF (after the $7500 fed tax credit it costs about the same as a new GX), which is 100% electric. It's the BEST car I've EVER had! It has virtually no maintenance, but I spent well over $3000 in just ONE year on maintenance costs for the Honda. You have to be very careful with CNG and use the cleanest (multi-filters) that you can find. There are very minute tolerances in the injectors and valves.
#230 of 231 Re: NG prices over the next 10 years [adea]
Apr 17, 2012 (8:54 pm)
So are you here to try and convert the NG Forum to EV? Good luck. I've driven my 2004 GX for 5 years and never had to do anything other than change oil, air filter, etc. True, I should be changing my fuel filters more ofter than every 100k, but the gas out West is so clean & dry that it generally isn't necessary. I drove from LA to San Diego today on about $10 of CNG (2/3 tank) $2 gge. Refueling from home is about 1/2 that thanks to the glut of NG in this country. Try making that trip in your Leaf. You'd have to revert to your gasoline vehicle, or rent one if you don't have one. I own no gasoline cars and in 5 years have had to rent a gas car twice. Both times were business trips to remote locations. Don't get me wrong, I love the EV's and am a huge proponent, but they are not yet ready for prime time and can pretty much only serve as your local commuter... your other car. I know a fellow with a leaf, who commutes to work & back every day, but he dare not even run an errand on the way home because he's at the very limit of his range every day just getting to work & back.
Your ideal solution would have been to keep the GX and use the Leaf as the run around car, the GX for range and the rare gas car rental for remote, or cross country trips. For the record, I don't sell GX's any more. I am affiliated with the Clean Cities program to develop alt fuels in my area of influence. They all have their place, or niche. No one alt fuel, or technology, is a silver bullet. It takes all of them, used when and where they best fit.
The reason there is no traffic here is because everyone hangs out at cngchat.com, the largest CNG community on the web, with over 12,000 members.
#231 of 231 Re: NG prices over the next 10 years [marinewonder]
Apr 18, 2012 (6:14 am)
CNG is just as active, but it was never a big topic here on edmunds.com. join cngchat.com if you want an active discussion group.