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#242 of 255 Re: Phill installation problems [fbaldwin] by freedml Apr 21, 2008 (9:56 am)
Replying to: fbaldwin (Sep 29, 2006 5:17 pm) I had a similar experience to #143 in City of Los Angeles, except neither the inspector nor his supervisor had ever seen or heard of Phill before. I didn't tell them precisely WHAT I was installing, I just pulled a permit to install a 'gas appliance' and showed them the approval symbols on the manual.
#243 of 255 New Here by thebundo May 03, 2008 (10:53 pm)
Well, I'm new here, but have been lurking. I bought a new GX today at Dublin (CA) Honda. I take delivery Monday. I already have 2 hybrids, an 2008 Ford Escape Hybrid and a 2007 Honda Civic Hybrid. I previously had a 2004 Civic Hybrid. I'm looking forward to this new area of "green". I want to get a home station somehow, and hook it up myself. I'm a contractor, so it's easy for me. Just need to find a unit at a good price, probably a FMQ2-36 Replies to this message: hondagxsales (May 04, 2008 9:52 am) noctes (Dec 12, 2008 10:12 pm)
#244 of 255 Re: New Here [thebundo] by hondagxsales May 04, 2008 (9:52 am)
Replying to: thebundo (May 03, 2008 10:53 pm) A Phill is out of the question for self installers unless you find a used one, which is virtually out of the question. Watch EBay, CraigsList, and cngchat.com's "Marketplace" forum for used FM units. They show up on an infrequent basis, but they do show up. Just avoid the FM-3, as it is no longer supported by Fuelmaker for parts.
#245 of 255 Phill sticky "Air Flow Valve" by fchanes Aug 03, 2008 (9:24 am)
Has anyone had problems with a sticky air flow valve on their Phill unit? Mine is acting up and Fuelmaker says that only a Certified repairman can fix it. They won't sell me one direct. I can easily replace it. Any thoughts on how I can obtain one? Thanks. Replies to this message: freedml (Aug 03, 2008 12:53 pm)
#246 of 255 Re: Phill sticky "Air Flow Valve" [fchanes] by freedml Aug 03, 2008 (12:53 pm)
Replying to: fchanes (Aug 03, 2008 9:24 am) You're sure it's the 'air flow' sensor and not the fan not moving enough air? I've heard of several fan failures but no 'air flow sensor' failures. We located the fan and some less expensive fan substitutes on a www.cngchat.com thread. If it's truly the air flow sensor I would remove it and see if there are any markings or other hints for where it came from. Had my fan failure not been covered under warranty I would have fixed it myself. Not allowing FM dealers to repair certain things in the field or do more economical swaps than their 'installers' is a HUGE mistake by FM.
#247 of 255 Wow... by isellhondas Nov 25, 2008 (3:33 pm)
I came here out of curosity and I've read about 30 of these posts.   I'm scratching my head wondering WHY in the world anybody would buy one of these units??
#248 of 255 Re: New Here [thebundo] by noctes Dec 12, 2008 (10:12 pm)
Replying to: thebundo (May 03, 2008 10:53 pm) I would be interested in knowing how your search for an FMQ-2-36 went. I also have a GX and am looking for an FMQ-2-36. And I'm in your geographic area - PM me if you would be interested in doing a FMQ-2-36 install.
#249 of 255 Re: PHILL Units ---- [jvenglass] by freedml Dec 13, 2008 (5:03 am)
Replying to: jvenglass (Apr 05, 2008 11:41 am) PHILL will not save you money. If you have one at home the fuel will cost you more (maybe a lot more ) than buying it at a station (even a CE station! ). It is strictly for convenience. And, it is so slow that sometimes you will wonder whether it's really convenient after all.
#250 of 255 phill rebuild by roder Mar 22, 2009 (11:27 am)
has anyone seen documents on how they rebuild the phill unit? Mine gives occasional error codes, not always the same ones. It also has taken longer to fill, which makes me think the compressor or dryer are going out. Yet it has low hours. I only want to get it working well enough for my 20 mile a day commute that I have now. I also smell too much natural gas when it first starts. . .which makes me think the solenoid valve that operates the dryer is going out. Not sure.   My unit was filthy dirty from operating outside, makes me wonder why they don't have a air filter on the unit?   No I don't want to pay $1000.00 to fix it at this time.   photos of inside phill unit:   http://ruderod.livejournal.com/181960.html?mode=reply phill photos Replies to this message: hondagxsales (Apr 20, 2009 8:04 pm)
#251 of 255 Re: Phill installation problems [airmar] by blackhawks92 Mar 28, 2009 (2:56 pm)
Replying to: airmar (Sep 25, 2006 2:56 pm) September of '06? Sheesh. I live in Brea, and I got my Phill in August of '07. Nobody needed an inspection from me, certainly not the installer, Mike Fossler, owner of Doctor Drain plumbing (plumber doctordrain.com). He had me e-mail him some photos of the installation site, came out, and took care of business. He quoted me $1400, but gave me a $200 discount because the installation was so easy. Mike is a man of integrity and charges very reasonably for plumbing work.   Months later, when the city repaved our alley, we phoned the city and complained that we wouldn't be able to refuel our car when the alley was being worked on. They sent a fireman to take a look (free of charge), and he was happy with the installation. That's the last I heard from anyone on the subject. In fact, Brea wanted to support alternative fuels so much, they cut us a check for the difference between refueling at home, and refueling at stations while the alley was blocked off.

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