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255 messages, Last post on May 13, 2009 at 10:41 PM
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Replying to: jetboatjohnny (Jun 18, 2007 1:17 pm) |
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Replying to: chileflyer (Jun 16, 2007 9:44 pm) I have been working with our local Air Pollution Control Board representative who is collecting information from American Honda to certify that the 'hot gas' will not damage the vehichle. (This is one of the arguments used by the CARB) He is preparing to submit a request for a waiver of the regulations for San Luis Obispo County. My understanding is that the natural gas for Ventura, Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, and Monterey Counties does not comply with the CARB regulations as they stand. We need to get these regulations updated to allow installation of home fueling! Contact your local APCB and find out who can help to pursue this matter. From what I got it sounds like we need someone who knows how to navigate red tape in order to get the request for a waiver to the right people. I have the only CNG Honda in this county right now, and have only met one other person with an CNG passenger vehicle. I would be happy to join up with anyone out there who wants to pursue this more assertively with CARB. I find it obscene that the organization that is supposed to be helping to keep our air clean is creating this barrier to cleaner air! |
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Replying to: grngurl (Jun 23, 2007 8:25 am) The 2007 Honda Civic GX owner’s manual says on page 6 “The natural gas you use to refuel must meet NFPA-52 and SAE J1616 standards for fuel composition and quality.” “If you use a fuel that does not meet these standards, you may feel a decrease in engine power and your vehicle’s emissions controls may be damaged.” The Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) Standard relates to fuel content and costs $59 http://www.sae.org/technical/standards/J1297_200209 The National Fire Protection Association looks like it mostly applies to fire safety and costs $36.50 http://www.nfpa.org/catalog/product.asp?category%5Fname=&pid=5206&target%5Fpid=5206&src%5Fpid=&link%5Ftype=search I’m wondering of SoCalGas is contacting all the folks that they “approved” to let them know the gas they are supplying no longer meets the standards of the CARB. I’m also wondering of the standards of the CARB are the same as NFPA-52 and SAEJ1616. I’m also wondering if SoCalGas is supplying the same natural gas to my house as to the Clean Energy station down the street in Santa Monica. I’ll call FuelMaker tomorrow and see if they can work with Honda to work with CARB, AQMD, Clean Energy, and SoCalGas to let Honda tell CARB that the gas is just fine for our cars as it meets the standards required by Honda. On the other hand, if it does not meet the standards, then perhaps Honda can ask SoCalGas to let us all know what stations do meet the standards and close the stations that do not meet the standards so the world is once again safe for the cleanest internal combustion engine automobile on the planet. It might help us get more assistance if the other folks that have been “denied” could also call FuelMaker so they understand there may be some impact to their sales in multiple counties in California. So far we’ve got denials in Los Angeles, Ventura, and San Luis Obispo Counties.
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Replying to: grngurl (Jun 23, 2007 8:25 am) Something smells bad here and the smell is not coming from a home refuel appliance. Time to call the C.A R.B and then call The "Governator". Maybe the Sacramento Bee and LA Times would like to know about this crap.
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Replying to: lakewood90712 (Jun 24, 2007 6:55 am) On the other hand, maybe every CNG station is pumping gas that does not meet the CARB standard. I wonder how to find out the real story. |
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Replying to: allan_gx (Jun 23, 2007 7:58 pm) I cannot speak to the contents of the gas being supplied in SoCal. My understanding that it is actually a different composition than that of ours up in Ventura, Santa Barbara, and San Luis Obispo Counties. I do think it would be helpful to have several of us pursuing the same goal here - that of getting the CARB to revise its requirements. This way, new NGV owners would not have to go through all of this red tape. |
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Replying to: grngurl (Jun 23, 2007 8:25 am)
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Replying to: lakewood90712 (Jun 29, 2007 6:49 am)
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Anyone know if an existing install of a Phill system can be moved to another location? My dad has a Phill system and doesn't need/want it anymore. And I'm game. Especially since I can't get anyone at Fuelmaker to return my call about getting a new one installed! I'm trying to figure out if I can bypass Fuelmaker and just go to an authorized installer (no idea how to get this info, either) and have it installed at my house. I'm in the same city as my dad so I'm 99% sure my gas meets with CARB regulations
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Replying to: 99civiccng (Jul 10, 2007 2:22 pm) Any plumbing or Heating contractor can can pull a permit and do the job for a fraction of that cost. Shouldn't take more than 3 hours at $80 - $95 per hour. The permit will not be much, unless you have to deal with the Orange County Fire Authority. Go for it! 
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