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255 messages, Last post on May 13, 2009 at 10:41 PM
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Replying to: kermit4 (May 25, 2007 8:17 am) If central air is generally permitted in your community, the FMQ is probably a viable option. |
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I live in Ventura county and was just denied the Gas Company approval to install a Home Refueling Appliance. I was denied to my area NOT MEETING CARB requirements. The Gas company was not very helpful explaining why in all LA county these units are acceptable and only said "The engineers have determined CARB limits can't be meet in Ventura County". I live in a new area of Camarillo in Mission oaks and still shocked with this notice. They said to call CARB as they are the ones who are causing the issue. I then called and spoke to the CARB regulations office for a lengthy conversation with the main person which is involved with regs. Since I'm an engineer , it was very enlightening to understand the issue. It appears there are 2 issues. 1) CARB requirements are GENERAL and lump Light duty cars and commercial vehicles into one category and 2) The Gas company's ability to control HOT gas in our area. I approached this GREEN car purchase to help my county after reading the LA times articles promoting CNG cars and the Ventura Clean Air Quality Improvement. Does anyone have advice to getting PHILL approved in Ventura county? CARB really explained the Gas Company owns the problem to work on Natural gas delivery in my area but also explained the light duty vehicles are not what CARB regulations were initially written for .. They expect improved categories to avoid these issues in 1-2 years. Is there any assistance anyone can offer? ChileFlyer
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Replying to: chileflyer (Jun 16, 2007 9:44 pm) The newer, computer controlled cars can handle it fine, and the law has been removed from the books in every state except Ca. There was an attempt to do away with it in January of this year but either was unsuccessful or was unable to get to this item on the agenda before the session ended. The situation is not dead and it is hopeful that the ruling will be changed (hopefully in Jan. '08) to reflect more current technologies, thereby allowing home refueling for those of you currently being denied. Curtis
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Replying to: hondagxsales (Jun 16, 2007 11:10 pm) Murph
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Replying to: bank1avp (Jun 17, 2007 8:41 pm)
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Replying to: jetboatjohnny (Jun 18, 2007 1:17 pm) |
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Replying to: chileflyer (Jun 16, 2007 9:44 pm) I have been working with our local Air Pollution Control Board representative who is collecting information from American Honda to certify that the 'hot gas' will not damage the vehichle. (This is one of the arguments used by the CARB) He is preparing to submit a request for a waiver of the regulations for San Luis Obispo County. My understanding is that the natural gas for Ventura, Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, and Monterey Counties does not comply with the CARB regulations as they stand. We need to get these regulations updated to allow installation of home fueling! Contact your local APCB and find out who can help to pursue this matter. From what I got it sounds like we need someone who knows how to navigate red tape in order to get the request for a waiver to the right people. I have the only CNG Honda in this county right now, and have only met one other person with an CNG passenger vehicle. I would be happy to join up with anyone out there who wants to pursue this more assertively with CARB. I find it obscene that the organization that is supposed to be helping to keep our air clean is creating this barrier to cleaner air! |
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Replying to: grngurl (Jun 23, 2007 8:25 am) The 2007 Honda Civic GX owner’s manual says on page 6 “The natural gas you use to refuel must meet NFPA-52 and SAE J1616 standards for fuel composition and quality.” “If you use a fuel that does not meet these standards, you may feel a decrease in engine power and your vehicle’s emissions controls may be damaged.” The Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) Standard relates to fuel content and costs $59 http://www.sae.org/technical/standards/J1297_200209 The National Fire Protection Association looks like it mostly applies to fire safety and costs $36.50 http://www.nfpa.org/catalog/product.asp?category%5Fname=&pid=5206&target%5Fpid=5206&src%5Fpid=&link%5Ftype=search I’m wondering of SoCalGas is contacting all the folks that they “approved” to let them know the gas they are supplying no longer meets the standards of the CARB. I’m also wondering of the standards of the CARB are the same as NFPA-52 and SAEJ1616. I’m also wondering if SoCalGas is supplying the same natural gas to my house as to the Clean Energy station down the street in Santa Monica. I’ll call FuelMaker tomorrow and see if they can work with Honda to work with CARB, AQMD, Clean Energy, and SoCalGas to let Honda tell CARB that the gas is just fine for our cars as it meets the standards required by Honda. On the other hand, if it does not meet the standards, then perhaps Honda can ask SoCalGas to let us all know what stations do meet the standards and close the stations that do not meet the standards so the world is once again safe for the cleanest internal combustion engine automobile on the planet. It might help us get more assistance if the other folks that have been “denied” could also call FuelMaker so they understand there may be some impact to their sales in multiple counties in California. So far we’ve got denials in Los Angeles, Ventura, and San Luis Obispo Counties.
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Replying to: grngurl (Jun 23, 2007 8:25 am) Something smells bad here and the smell is not coming from a home refuel appliance. Time to call the C.A R.B and then call The "Governator". Maybe the Sacramento Bee and LA Times would like to know about this crap.
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