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255 messages, Last post on May 13, 2009 at 10:41 PM
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Replying to: kermit4 (Apr 11, 2007 8:11 am) The same scenario using an FMQ2-36 has a compressor service life of over 4 1/2 years (4,000 hours). The cost of rebuilding the compressor (in the field) is about $700 + the cost of the service call. While the AQMD does not offer it's buydown on the FMQ2-36, both units are eligible for the $1,000 Federal tax credit. (Give the AQMD a call and ask why they're supporting a specific unit instead of the best technology.) The Phill also uses more than twice as much energy to operate because it runs over twice as long (per GGE). When you consider that the Phill: 1) Can only be rebuilt a maximum of 3 times (vs. unlimited compressor rebuilds for the FMQ2-36). 2) A fill rate of .42 GGE (vs. 1.0 - 1.2 GGE for the FMQ2-36) 3) Fills only one vehicle at a time (vs. up to two vehicles with the FMQ2-36) 4) A remanufactured unit adds over $1.00/GGE to your fueling costs! the Phill has a catchy name, but doesn't make good economic sense. John
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Replying to: biggjohn (May 24, 2007 4:45 pm) Guessing that's why AQMD offers rebates only on the Phill.
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Replying to: kermit4 (May 25, 2007 8:17 am) If central air is generally permitted in your community, the FMQ is probably a viable option. |
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I live in Ventura county and was just denied the Gas Company approval to install a Home Refueling Appliance. I was denied to my area NOT MEETING CARB requirements. The Gas company was not very helpful explaining why in all LA county these units are acceptable and only said "The engineers have determined CARB limits can't be meet in Ventura County". I live in a new area of Camarillo in Mission oaks and still shocked with this notice. They said to call CARB as they are the ones who are causing the issue. I then called and spoke to the CARB regulations office for a lengthy conversation with the main person which is involved with regs. Since I'm an engineer , it was very enlightening to understand the issue. It appears there are 2 issues. 1) CARB requirements are GENERAL and lump Light duty cars and commercial vehicles into one category and 2) The Gas company's ability to control HOT gas in our area. I approached this GREEN car purchase to help my county after reading the LA times articles promoting CNG cars and the Ventura Clean Air Quality Improvement. Does anyone have advice to getting PHILL approved in Ventura county? CARB really explained the Gas Company owns the problem to work on Natural gas delivery in my area but also explained the light duty vehicles are not what CARB regulations were initially written for .. They expect improved categories to avoid these issues in 1-2 years. Is there any assistance anyone can offer? ChileFlyer
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Replying to: chileflyer (Jun 16, 2007 9:44 pm) The newer, computer controlled cars can handle it fine, and the law has been removed from the books in every state except Ca. There was an attempt to do away with it in January of this year but either was unsuccessful or was unable to get to this item on the agenda before the session ended. The situation is not dead and it is hopeful that the ruling will be changed (hopefully in Jan. '08) to reflect more current technologies, thereby allowing home refueling for those of you currently being denied. Curtis
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Replying to: hondagxsales (Jun 16, 2007 11:10 pm) Murph
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Replying to: bank1avp (Jun 17, 2007 8:41 pm)
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Replying to: jetboatjohnny (Jun 18, 2007 1:17 pm) |
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Replying to: chileflyer (Jun 16, 2007 9:44 pm) I have been working with our local Air Pollution Control Board representative who is collecting information from American Honda to certify that the 'hot gas' will not damage the vehichle. (This is one of the arguments used by the CARB) He is preparing to submit a request for a waiver of the regulations for San Luis Obispo County. My understanding is that the natural gas for Ventura, Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, and Monterey Counties does not comply with the CARB regulations as they stand. We need to get these regulations updated to allow installation of home fueling! Contact your local APCB and find out who can help to pursue this matter. From what I got it sounds like we need someone who knows how to navigate red tape in order to get the request for a waiver to the right people. I have the only CNG Honda in this county right now, and have only met one other person with an CNG passenger vehicle. I would be happy to join up with anyone out there who wants to pursue this more assertively with CARB. I find it obscene that the organization that is supposed to be helping to keep our air clean is creating this barrier to cleaner air! |
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