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#203 of 255 Regarding email contact by pf_flyer HOST Apr 10, 2007 (12:54 pm)
A lot of folks are very cautious about getting unsolicited emails and keep their email address private for that reason. If you want to get indirect contact with another user in that situation, your best option (as Kirstie pointed out) is to mark your email "public" in your profile, then ask that person to click on your username and get in contact with you. Doesn't guarantee that they WILL, but it's the safe and polite option
#204 of 255 Phill competitors? by jetboatjohnny Apr 10, 2007 (12:57 pm)
Replying to: xpacific (Apr 10, 2007 12:24 pm) There is a company in the UK that makes a device. It says it will fill a 90 liter tank in 10 hours, which is about 20 gallons, so say 2 gal/hr. I think the 200 bar pressure is only about 3,000 psi. http://www.gasfill.com/ http://www.gasfill.com/products.htm
#205 of 255 FMQ2 vs. PHILL by kermit4 Apr 11, 2007 (8:11 am)
Replying to: bank1avp (Apr 07, 2007 7:19 am) People should definitely check the math on what works for them. My local AQMD offers $2k incentives on purchasing the Phill, so for us that's definitely the way to go, since we will effectively get the original Phill plus one rebuild for $3500. We'll front up $1500 for purchase instead of $3500-4k for the FMQ2. Based on our driving habits, that means it would take ten years (five years on the original Phill, five years on the rebuild) before we would break even if we went with a FMQ2. By that time, there might be reasonably priced CNG pumps all over the area, with no need to fuel at home.   On the other hand, maybe we'll have two CNG vehicles by then, and wish we'd gone with the heavy-duty pump Replies to this message: biggjohn (May 24, 2007 4:45 pm) kermit4 (May 25, 2007 8:17 am) biggjohn (May 25, 2007 5:03 pm)
#206 of 255 Phill competitors by hondagxsales Apr 11, 2007 (8:38 am)
There are several around. The problem is the certifications. The Phill is certified as a Home Appliance. None of the rest have gotten certs that would allow them to be sold in the US and the other one I know of, which I really like is a hydrolic ram type. But again, not available for purchase. Curtis
#207 of 255 Phill pricing by hondagxsales Apr 11, 2007 (8:41 am)
I spoke to Fuelmaker at the Alt Fuels Expo in Anaheim on 4/3/07. They confirmed the price increase to $4,000 effective 4/1/07 (as I recall) but that their goal was to get production up to thepoint that they could bring it back down to the $2,000 price tag... although they couldn't say as to when that may happen... if ever. Curtis
#208 of 255 Anyone else get this e-mail? by xpacific Apr 11, 2007 (11:44 am)
Dear Valued Customer:   FuelMaker would like to thank you for your continued interest in its Home Refueling Appliance “Phill”. Since the introduction of Phill to the market place, FuelMaker has tried its best to maintain Phill’s price as low as possible. Unfortunately because of rising costs and other factors beyond our control, FuelMaker can no longer maintain the price at the present level. As of April 2nd, the price of Phill will be in the range of $3,982 to $4,296 depending on your refueling scenario. This does not include installation and shipping costs.   We do wish to give you the opportunity to purchase Phill at the price you were quoted. Therefore, we are offering you a two week period, from the date you receive this letter, in which you may purchase Phill at the old price. If you would like to take advantage of this offer, all you need to do is call FuelMaker’s customer service department at 1-866-697-4455 (toll free) between the hours of 8:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, and we will be more than happy to fill your order.   Thank you for your understanding and continued support.   Best Regards,
#209 of 255 Phill doesn't pencil out - getting an FMQ-2-36 instead by xpacific May 06, 2007 (8:15 am)
As per my earlier post here, unless your local government provides incentives, I feel that Phill makes little economic sense. If an outside install is OK for your needs, then my suggestion is you contact your local FuelMaker dealer to see if they can find you a refurbished FMQ-2. (note that FM dealers generally will NOT sell outside of their territory). http://fuelmaker.com/Dealers/   Our SLC dealer sourced a 3600psi model for me at around $4k + his install time. Scrolling down to the bottom of the following web page gives some good photos of what the FMQ-2 looks like installed. Note the installation with a remote panel -- this is an attractive option if you want to hide the main compressor unit away from view. http://fuelmaker.cz/com/foto/foto.htm   Also, you can sometimes find used "FM4" or even occasionally older "C3" units on eBay, but these only fill to 3000psi. The last FM4 sold for $3k a month ago.   I will post some photos if my installation once it is completed later this month.
#210 of 255 How good a fill should we get with Phill? by kermit4 May 21, 2007 (1:54 pm)
We got our Phill installed a few weeks ago. The convenience factor is fantastic, but the fill quality has been so-so, only getting up to one square below the top fill mark on our GX. Should we be expecting a Phill fill to regularly hit the top fill mark? Is there anything we can do to get a better quality of fill from Phill? We hook up the compressor in the evening, so running the compressor during the heat of the day shouldn't be the issue. Replies to this message: hondagxsales (May 21, 2007 6:27 pm) bank1avp (May 22, 2007 6:01 am) kermit4 (May 22, 2007 9:03 am)
#211 of 255 Re: How good a fill should we get with Phill? [kermit4] by hondagxsales May 21, 2007 (6:27 pm)
Replying to: kermit4 (May 21, 2007 1:54 pm) You should be getting a comlete fill. If you are not, I suggest you call your installer back to figure out why. If he doesn't have an answer for you I would call Fuelmaker Tech support/Customer Service at 1-866-269-4455.Curtis
#212 of 255 Re: How good a fill should we get with Phill? [kermit4] by bank1avp May 22, 2007 (6:01 am)
Replying to: kermit4 (May 21, 2007 1:54 pm) kermit it's probably the guage on your car and not likely the Phill unit. Go to a station you know historiclly has good pressure, I hate to say it but try a C.E. station just for this test. See why the guage is after the fast fill.   I've sold many GX's where I've notice the same issue.   Murphy Replies to this message: kermit4 (May 22, 2007 9:03 am)

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