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#198 of 255 Re: Got the call from fuelmaker today [bank1avp] by leducb Apr 09, 2007 (10:30 am)
Replying to: bank1avp (Apr 07, 2007 7:19 am) Please let me know how much you are asking for 1 of the FMQ2s you have coming in. I am very interested in purchasing one.   Thanks, Elizabeth
#199 of 255 Re: Got the call from fuelmaker today [bank1avp] by musicmann Apr 09, 2007 (2:21 pm)
Replying to: bank1avp (Apr 07, 2007 7:19 am) Just a point of clarification. Is the FMQ2 approved for installation in a closed garage like Phill? Replies to this message: bank1avp (Apr 10, 2007 7:01 am)
#200 of 255 Re: Got the call from fuelmaker today [musicmann] by bank1avp Apr 10, 2007 (7:01 am)
Replying to: musicmann (Apr 09, 2007 2:21 pm) Only the Phill is approved for indoor use. C3,FM4, and FMQ2's are all outdoor units only. These units lack a sniffer and a cutoff device if they were to leak NG.
#201 of 255 Re: Got the call from fuelmaker today [cal_mag] by kirstie_h HOST Apr 10, 2007 (11:35 am)
Posting your e-mail address on a public message board gives every human being in the world access to your address (this includes spammers). You're much better off to mark your address "public" in your profile, for your own privacy!
#202 of 255 Phill competitors? by xpacific Apr 10, 2007 (12:24 pm)
As many have posted, Phill does not make much economic sense, given the rebuild (or trash?) requirement at 6,000 hours (3,000 gge). The thing is probably way overpriced anyway, especially as Honda made a big splash with the supposed $2k price when it was first announced, and rumors are it is heading up to $4k.   It sounds like FuelMaker needs some competition. Anyone know of similar indoor fueling products? Replies to this message: jetboatjohnny (Apr 10, 2007 12:57 pm)
#203 of 255 Regarding email contact by pf_flyer HOST Apr 10, 2007 (12:54 pm)
A lot of folks are very cautious about getting unsolicited emails and keep their email address private for that reason. If you want to get indirect contact with another user in that situation, your best option (as Kirstie pointed out) is to mark your email "public" in your profile, then ask that person to click on your username and get in contact with you. Doesn't guarantee that they WILL, but it's the safe and polite option
#204 of 255 Phill competitors? by jetboatjohnny Apr 10, 2007 (12:57 pm)
Replying to: xpacific (Apr 10, 2007 12:24 pm) There is a company in the UK that makes a device. It says it will fill a 90 liter tank in 10 hours, which is about 20 gallons, so say 2 gal/hr. I think the 200 bar pressure is only about 3,000 psi. http://www.gasfill.com/ http://www.gasfill.com/products.htm
#205 of 255 FMQ2 vs. PHILL by kermit4 Apr 11, 2007 (8:11 am)
Replying to: bank1avp (Apr 07, 2007 7:19 am) People should definitely check the math on what works for them. My local AQMD offers $2k incentives on purchasing the Phill, so for us that's definitely the way to go, since we will effectively get the original Phill plus one rebuild for $3500. We'll front up $1500 for purchase instead of $3500-4k for the FMQ2. Based on our driving habits, that means it would take ten years (five years on the original Phill, five years on the rebuild) before we would break even if we went with a FMQ2. By that time, there might be reasonably priced CNG pumps all over the area, with no need to fuel at home.   On the other hand, maybe we'll have two CNG vehicles by then, and wish we'd gone with the heavy-duty pump Replies to this message: biggjohn (May 24, 2007 4:45 pm) kermit4 (May 25, 2007 8:17 am) biggjohn (May 25, 2007 5:03 pm)
#206 of 255 Phill competitors by hondagxsales Apr 11, 2007 (8:38 am)
There are several around. The problem is the certifications. The Phill is certified as a Home Appliance. None of the rest have gotten certs that would allow them to be sold in the US and the other one I know of, which I really like is a hydrolic ram type. But again, not available for purchase. Curtis
#207 of 255 Phill pricing by hondagxsales Apr 11, 2007 (8:41 am)
I spoke to Fuelmaker at the Alt Fuels Expo in Anaheim on 4/3/07. They confirmed the price increase to $4,000 effective 4/1/07 (as I recall) but that their goal was to get production up to thepoint that they could bring it back down to the $2,000 price tag... although they couldn't say as to when that may happen... if ever. Curtis

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