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AQMD is back in the game! See Attached Email...
by dejapooh
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Feb 08, 2007 (2:53 pm)
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Replying to: musicmann (Jan 25, 2007 10:36 pm)
I got this today. I just called and I am 13th on the waiting list. If this is like the last time, there not be many spaces available.
As I understand it, they will have to sign the contracts and finalize everything (expected by the end of the month). Either way, this is great news if you have your NGV and you wanted a phill.
This is the attached Email...
Hi everyone,
I have great news for you! I was just advised by South Coast Air Quality Management District (SCAQMD) that grants are now available to purchase Phill. When you purchase Phill you will qualify for the $2,000 SCAQMD grant plus $1,000 Federal Tax Credit lowering the cost of Phill to just $500. If you would like to purchase Phill, contact FuelMaker directly at (866) MY Phill (697-4455).
This is a great opportunity if you have been debating whether to buy or lease, take advantage of the great savings and at the same time enjoy fueling your Honda Civic GX at the convenience of your home. Don’t forget to submit your paperwork to The Gas Company for the special NGV Home Refueling Rate that is lower than your current residential rate as well as $1.25 per GGE. FuelMaker will provide you with these forms or if interested I am more than happy to forward them to you as well.
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- #186 of 255
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Re: Phill performance still good [moore101]
by xpacific
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Mar 19, 2007 (7:35 am)
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Replying to: moore101 (Jan 09, 2007 6:24 pm)
Called FuelMaker today and they don't have an "official" price for refurbishing just yet, but thought it would be around $2,000. My feeling is that Phill does not make sense from pure economics... As it provides approx. 1/2GGE per hour, you are going to get 3,000 GGEs from the unit, so this is adds around $1.20/GGE (OK, with the $1k tax credit this brings it down to around $0.90). Then you have to send it back for refurbishing, pay another $2k for this as well as some time for someone to re-install it properly. I know there are incentives for S.Cal owners, but anywhere else in the country it does not add up, does it?
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- #187 of 255
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Re: Phill performance still good [xpacific]
by hondagxsales
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Mar 19, 2007 (8:54 pm)
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Replying to: xpacific (Mar 19, 2007 7:35 am)
When I spoke to AJ last, he thought the refurb would be around $1500. The unit has a mandatory shuy down programed into it at 6000 hrs to force a service. Both Honda and FuelMaker are finding that the unit may last beyond the 6000 hrs and could be reset and left to run further. The unit is working out better than initially anticipated. There isn't actually a Phill in the field that has hit the 6000 hr mark yet, according to Honda Corporate. Everyone I know that has a Phill seem to feel that the convenience factor outstrips some of the more pragmatic factors.
Curtis
Alt Fuels Rep
Robertson's Palmdale Honda
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- #188 of 255
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Re: Phill performance still good [hondagxsales]
by bank1avp
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Mar 20, 2007 (6:40 am)
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Replying to: hondagxsales (Mar 19, 2007 8:54 pm)
I have timed out my Phill at 5600 hours. FM already knows about this and plans to used my Phill to test the "rebuildability" of the Phill. I shouldn't say that it timed out because it will still switch on but it will not pressure up. Towards the end of its life there was a significant deteriation in gge per hour became more like .10 - .25 gge per hour. Weather or not it makes sense to own a Phill remains to be seen. A used FMQ2 sells for the same amount as a new Phill, will pump more than a Phill, and is indefinately rebuildable at the cost of about $900. If the Phill pumps less and costs more to rebuild then wouldn't make much sense. People who own GX's are number crunchers and know exactly what they are paying for stuff.
Murphy
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- #189 of 255
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Got the call from fuelmaker today
by lakewood90712
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Apr 05, 2007 (7:41 pm)
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Fuelmaker called today , The so cal AQMD released the grant money , so my Phill is being shipped out to Kevin Shaw Plumbing for an install very soon  .
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- #190 of 255
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Re: Got the call from fuelmaker today [lakewood90712]
by cal_mag
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Apr 06, 2007 (8:04 am)
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Replying to: lakewood90712 (Apr 05, 2007 7:41 pm)
I got an email from them and ordered one yesterday. Patricia told me to expect a 2-3 week lead time and then an additional week delay since the AQMD just started. How did you get yours to be shipped so soon? I already have my installer lined up too.
Thanks,
Jim
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- #191 of 255
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Phill
by jetboatjohnny
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Apr 06, 2007 (9:51 am)
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When I got my GX the first thing I was going to do was get a Phill. After figuring the economics, it will not save me a significant amount of money. I agree the convienience is great, but I am lucky to have a reliable station 4 miles from my house and costs me about 6-7 min in extra time on my commute home, which I can usually make up in the HOV lanes.
Eventually I will probably get one.
J
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- #192 of 255
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Reasons for Phill
by dejapooh
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Apr 06, 2007 (11:15 am)
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My thing is the volatility of the Gas prices at teh stations. They seem to try to stay within $.50 OF regular gas. With the phill, Gas prices are set by the PUC, and that means price changes are less frequent and less radical.
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- #193 of 255
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Re: Got the call from fuelmaker today [cal_mag]
by lakewood90712
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Apr 06, 2007 (4:53 pm)
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Replying to: cal_mag (Apr 06, 2007 8:04 am)
Patricia did not give me a shipping date, so you may get it before me.
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- #194 of 255
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Re: Got the call from fuelmaker today [lakewood90712]
by bank1avp
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Apr 07, 2007 (7:19 am)
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Replying to: lakewood90712 (Apr 06, 2007 4:53 pm)
Look into a used FMQ2 instead the math makes better sense. They are rebuilable every 400 hours/4000 gallons for roughly $900. You can rebuild them indefinate times. When you want to sell it it's still worth what you paid for it used. If you have trouble finding one let me know I have 8 of them coming in.
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