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#180 of 255 Re: Drop in fuel prices [jim314] by hondagxsales Jan 23, 2007 (7:40 pm)
Replying to: jim314 (Apr 07, 2006 7:49 pm) SoCal Gas does require permission to install. The problem is that there is an outdated law on the books that requires CNG vehicles to operate on "Fuelgrade" methane. Simply put, it has to have a certain purity level. There are 2 wells that do not meet this requirement. One is the Bakersfield well and the other is offshore. Some beach communities around Santa Barbara and some inland cities, like Santa Clarita, for example are supplied by one of these lines. The bulk of Ca gas is from Canada, Texas and Colorado. Those sources are fine for vehicles. In fact, so is the "non-compliant" gas, which contains higher levels of other gas' like Ethane and Propane... According to SoCal Gas Alt Fuels Division. Ca. is the only state in the union that has not repealed this law. It was hopeful that it was going to be removed from law this month, but SoCal Gas wasn't successful in their efforts. Fear not, it will eventually be removed and all of you who have been banned from the land of Phill will be welcomed.">
#181 of 255 Re: Phill performance still good [bank1avp] by harleyz Jan 23, 2007 (8:08 pm)
Replying to: bank1avp (Jan 09, 2007 4:23 pm) I would be interested in the FM4 -contact me at harleyzapaol.com-dave
#182 of 255 Orange County Fire Authority -- third, and probably final, update by musicmann Jan 25, 2007 (10:14 pm)
#183 of 255 Orange County Fire Authority -- third, and probably final, update by musicmann Jan 25, 2007 (10:36 pm)
The Board of Directors for the Orange County Fire Authority met this evening. I was the only one there to give input on the agenda item regarding their inspection fee for the installation of a Phill unit. There was no one from Honda, no one from Fuelmaker, no other members of the public. There were no letters from concerned citizens presented for the board to consider. My comments included a request for the Board of Directors to waive their inspection fee in the interests of cleaner air.   The board member who had been most vocal in supporting my position is no longer on the board. One of the new board members asked about how many units per year are currently inspected. The answer given was that the devices are relatively new, and only three units total have been installed in the area serviced by the OCFA. There was no other discussion. The board voted unanimously to accept the staff recommendation, which focuses on having the installer do the bulk of the plan inspection work and then a Fire Authority Inspector checking the unit and installation after it is completed. The fee will be calculated as 1.5 hours at $145 per hour, for a total fee of $217.50.   At this time, I'm not sure that I can do anything more on this issue. I hope that it helps some of you and other future NGV owners in our area. Replies to this message: dejapooh (Feb 08, 2007 2:53 pm)
#185 of 255 AQMD is back in the game! See Attached Email... by dejapooh Feb 08, 2007 (2:53 pm)
Replying to: musicmann (Jan 25, 2007 10:36 pm) I got this today. I just called and I am 13th on the waiting list. If this is like the last time, there not be many spaces available.   As I understand it, they will have to sign the contracts and finalize everything (expected by the end of the month). Either way, this is great news if you have your NGV and you wanted a phill.   This is the attached Email...   Hi everyone,        I have great news for you! I was just advised by South Coast Air Quality Management District (SCAQMD) that grants are now available to purchase Phill. When you purchase Phill you will qualify for the $2,000 SCAQMD grant plus $1,000 Federal Tax Credit lowering the cost of Phill to just $500. If you would like to purchase Phill, contact FuelMaker directly at (866) MY Phill (697-4455).        This is a great opportunity if you have been debating whether to buy or lease, take advantage of the great savings and at the same time enjoy fueling your Honda Civic GX at the convenience of your home. Don’t forget to submit your paperwork to The Gas Company for the special NGV Home Refueling Rate that is lower than your current residential rate as well as $1.25 per GGE. FuelMaker will provide you with these forms or if interested I am more than happy to forward them to you as well.
#186 of 255 Re: Phill performance still good [moore101] by xpacific Mar 19, 2007 (7:35 am)
Replying to: moore101 (Jan 09, 2007 6:24 pm) Called FuelMaker today and they don't have an "official" price for refurbishing just yet, but thought it would be around $2,000. My feeling is that Phill does not make sense from pure economics... As it provides approx. 1/2GGE per hour, you are going to get 3,000 GGEs from the unit, so this is adds around $1.20/GGE (OK, with the $1k tax credit this brings it down to around $0.90). Then you have to send it back for refurbishing, pay another $2k for this as well as some time for someone to re-install it properly. I know there are incentives for S.Cal owners, but anywhere else in the country it does not add up, does it? Replies to this message: hondagxsales (Mar 19, 2007 8:54 pm) bank1avp (Mar 20, 2007 6:40 am)
#187 of 255 Re: Phill performance still good [xpacific] by hondagxsales Mar 19, 2007 (8:54 pm)
Replying to: xpacific (Mar 19, 2007 7:35 am) When I spoke to AJ last, he thought the refurb would be around $1500. The unit has a mandatory shuy down programed into it at 6000 hrs to force a service. Both Honda and FuelMaker are finding that the unit may last beyond the 6000 hrs and could be reset and left to run further. The unit is working out better than initially anticipated. There isn't actually a Phill in the field that has hit the 6000 hr mark yet, according to Honda Corporate. Everyone I know that has a Phill seem to feel that the convenience factor outstrips some of the more pragmatic factors. Curtis Alt Fuels Rep Robertson's Palmdale Honda Replies to this message: bank1avp (Mar 20, 2007 6:40 am)
#188 of 255 Re: Phill performance still good [hondagxsales] by bank1avp Mar 20, 2007 (6:40 am)
Replying to: hondagxsales (Mar 19, 2007 8:54 pm) I have timed out my Phill at 5600 hours. FM already knows about this and plans to used my Phill to test the "rebuildability" of the Phill. I shouldn't say that it timed out because it will still switch on but it will not pressure up. Towards the end of its life there was a significant deteriation in gge per hour became more like .10 - .25 gge per hour. Weather or not it makes sense to own a Phill remains to be seen. A used FMQ2 sells for the same amount as a new Phill, will pump more than a Phill, and is indefinately rebuildable at the cost of about $900. If the Phill pumps less and costs more to rebuild then wouldn't make much sense. People who own GX's are number crunchers and know exactly what they are paying for stuff.   Murphy
#189 of 255 Got the call from fuelmaker today by lakewood90712 Apr 05, 2007 (7:41 pm)
Fuelmaker called today , The so cal AQMD released the grant money , so my Phill is being shipped out to Kevin Shaw Plumbing for an install very soon . Replies to this message: cal_mag (Apr 06, 2007 8:04 am) lakewood90712 (Apr 06, 2007 4:53 pm) bank1avp (Apr 07, 2007 7:19 am) and 11 more...

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