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All About PHILL

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Re: Drop in fuel prices [gagrice] by jim314
Apr 07, 2006 (7:49 pm)
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What is the cost of a PHILL?
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Re: Drop in fuel prices [jim314] by rst
Apr 12, 2006 (4:42 pm)
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Replying to: jim314 (Apr 07, 2006 7:49 pm)

My partner just ordered one yesterday for her house. I have had mine for 6 months or so. Mine was $3,000 with the promise of a $1,500 rebate, which I have never received. They must have their act together now as she paid $1,500 for the unit. The unit is usually shipped directly to the installer. You are supposed to have your gas tested by the Gas Co for quality. This took her more than 5 phone calls and 6 weeks or so. Then there is the city permit and installation costs of $1,500 and up depending on the difficulty of the job.
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Re: Drop in fuel prices [jim314] Phill Cost by cngaz
Apr 16, 2006 (2:12 pm)
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Replying to: jim314 (Apr 07, 2006 7:49 pm)

In Arizona, Phill is $3500.00, $150.00 Shipping, +Tax, and Installation usually runs around $1000.00 depending on how much electric and gas piping are involved. No South Coast subsidies here. There is a $1000.00 Fed Tax Credit on Phill.
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Re: Drop in fuel prices [jim314] Phill Cost [cngaz] by sethdallob1
Apr 17, 2006 (9:14 am)
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Replying to: cngaz (Apr 16, 2006 2:12 pm)

Can you elaborate on the tax credit? All I found was a tax deduction for the purchase and installation price for Phill. "Tax Deduction for Clean Air Vehicle Property" or something like that.
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Re: Drop in fuel prices [jim314] by rst
Apr 23, 2006 (10:52 am)
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Replying to: jim314 (Apr 07, 2006 7:49 pm)

jim314,
 
Add $1,045 to my last posting for a bid for the installation of the phill unit. This does not include the dedicated electric line that has to be added. I am told 5 to 6 weeks for delivery of the unit.
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Re: Drop in fuel prices [rst] by jim314
Apr 23, 2006 (11:19 am)
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Replying to: rst (Apr 23, 2006 10:52 am)

So what is the total cost of installation?
 
I just had two "tankless" waterheaters installed in two different houses. One plumber charged $1100 and another one $1200 above the price of the heaters, which were only $380 apiece.
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Re: Drop in fuel prices [rst] by rst
Apr 23, 2006 (6:24 pm)
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Replying to: rst (Apr 23, 2006 10:52 am)

$1,045 for the plumber/installer + $1,500 for the unit + ? the electrical. Will keep you informed as to the progress and cost.
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Re: Drop in fuel prices [rst] by jim314
Apr 23, 2006 (7:16 pm)
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Replying to: rst (Apr 23, 2006 6:24 pm)

FWIW my calc'n of the cost of natural gas fueling using a PHILL is $1.13 per gge (gasoline gallon equivalent), not including amortizing the cost of the unit and installation. Of course, being independent of the local filling station is priceless.
 
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(1) Cost of electricity is $0.29/gge.
 
PHILL draws 800 W = 0.80 kW to pump 0.42 gge/hr. Assume marginal electricity rate is $0.15/KWH
($0.15/kwh)(0.8 kW)/(0.42gge/hr) = $0.29/gge
 
(2) Cost of NG is $0.84/gge.
 
Assume 114 cu ft NG = 1 gge.
 
Dallas ATMOS Energy current marginal rate for NG, incl 7.625% tax, surcharges etc., but not connection fee, is $7.39/MCF, 1 MCF = 1000 cu ft.
 
($7.39/1000 cu ft)(114 cu ft/gge) = $0.84/gge
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Gas Company Approval by fbaldwin
Oct 29, 2005 (9:31 am)
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Before you buy a CIVIC GX contact the Southern California Gas Company for approval to install the PHILL unit. It took three weeks for the Gas Company to approve my request. The selling dealer may not know about this requirement.

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