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#17 of 26 Re: Is the Honda CRV your vehicle of choice? [steve_] by lzc

Nov 11, 2009 (6:37 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Nov 10, 2009 5:02 pm)
Let's hope investigators determine conclusively what caused the acceleration. Speculation, while natural I guess, settles nothing.
 
I can't forget the hysteria over the last big case of "unintended acceleration." Audi sales collapsed in the U.S. to about 7,000/yr, I believe. 60 minutes ran a particularly nasty and hysterical piece that had the car just taking off on its own.
 
In the end, after years of investigation and untold billions in lost business, Audi was cleared. The result of all this was the imposition of a shift sequence requirement that one's foot had to be on the brake before shifting out of Park.

#18 of 26 Re: Is the Honda CRV your vehicle of choice? [blueiedgod] by motoguy128

Nov 11, 2009 (7:34 am)

Replying to: blueiedgod (Nov 10, 2009 1:22 pm)
The state trooper didn't know that with keyless ignitions, you have to hold the button own for 3 seconds to kill the engine. It was beleived that there might be a lockout preventing the transmission from going to neutral at high engine RPM's or speeds. However, it seems like there are other options such as shifting to D3 or 2nd to force the engine to redline without would cut power. But again, the transmisison's logic might have prevented that action even if the lever is moved.
 
Fortunately, I am not aware of any similar reports on the CR-V. I also thing that Honda uses a smaller accelerator pedal that has more clearance below it.

#19 of 26 Re: Is the Honda CRV your vehicle of choice? [motoguy128] by blueiedgod

Nov 11, 2009 (10:51 am)

Replying to: motoguy128 (Nov 11, 2009 7:34 am)
The state trooper didn't know that with keyless ignitions, you have to hold the button own for 3 seconds to kill the engine. It was beleived that there might be a lockout preventing the transmission from going to neutral at high engine RPM's or speeds. However, it seems like there are other options such as shifting to D3 or 2nd to force the engine to redline without would cut power. But again, the transmisison's logic might have prevented that action even if the lever is moved.
  
Fortunately, I am not aware of any similar reports on the CR-V. I also thing that Honda uses a smaller accelerator pedal that has more clearance below it.
 
So, let's say the tropper drove the car to his destination without the incident. Would he have left it idling? Or would he have figured out how to turn it off?
 
I just had a rental Camry Hybrid. The button was clearly labeled "Start/Stop." Even without the labeling, my instinct to turn it off would have been to hold the "start" button, since there were no other buttons.
 
And, I think, we have all been using Windows, where you have to press "start" to turn off. I admit, there may be one or two hardcore UNIX/MAC people who have never seen a Windows terminal.

#20 of 26 Re: Is the Honda CRV your vehicle of choice? [blueiedgod] by steve_ HOST

Nov 11, 2009 (11:07 am)

Replying to: blueiedgod (Nov 11, 2009 10:51 am)
Windows 7 defaults to "Shut Down". The nearest thing it has is "restart".
 
Would he have left it idling?
 
Or the brother in law would have called the dealer. Maybe he should have called the dealer instead of 911, come to think of it.

#21 of 26 Re: Is the Honda CRV your vehicle of choice? [blueiedgod] by kyfdx HOST

Nov 11, 2009 (9:55 pm)

Replying to: blueiedgod (Nov 11, 2009 10:51 am)
It works differently when the car is in PARK... One push, and it's off...
 
In DRIVE, you have to hold in the button for three seconds.. Definitely not intuitive..
 
I will say... I can't imagine a car that you can't put in neutral from DRIVE, though.. I can see REVERSE being locked out... but, not neutral.. (I'm sure I'll now be proven wrong, though).

#22 of 26 Re: Is the Honda CRV your vehicle of choice? [kyfdx] by motoguy128

Nov 12, 2009 (10:09 am)

Replying to: kyfdx (Nov 11, 2009 9:55 pm)
That suprised me as well tha you could not put the vehicle into neutral. I might try that on our Altima and my CR-V. But I'm pretty sure you can. I would always prefer to go to neutral rather than just turning off the ignition. With the igniton off, you lose power to improtant things like ABS/ stability control, gauges, turn signals (except hazards) brake lights, in most cars the headlights, plus you lose all of your power brake assist which comes from engine vacuum.
 
So neutral is the best solution. But again, sliding the shifter into "2" might also have limited the vehciles speed to around 50-60mph... and then "1" would slow it to 30-40mph, but in both caes you might destroy the engine...but at that point, locking up the engine might be a good thing. However... as mentioned, the transmissions computer might override your request.
 
This comes back to a problem with newer vehciles. Computers completely control most functions other than braking and steering, which only have computer assistance. It seems ot me that there should be certain logical safety interlocks in the system. For example, applying more than even 50% throttle while the brakes are being applied hard, does not makes sense. It seems logical, that the computer should reduce the throttle position. This interlock would simply require a pressure switch or transducer on the brake system to determine when the brakes are being applied hard. Next, you should ALWAYS be able to shift into neutral while moving. Finally, once in neutral, the keyless igntions shouldonly require a single push of hte button, not be held down for 3 seconds. If I had an engine fire or it starts making a terrible noise, I want to go to neutral and shut down the engine , but keep rolling to a safe place to pull over.
 
I guess I like keyless gintions, but would still rather have a rotary selector switch, than a push button.

#23 of 26 Re: Is the Honda CRV your vehicle of choice? [motoguy128] by blueiedgod

Nov 12, 2009 (12:34 pm)

Replying to: motoguy128 (Nov 12, 2009 10:09 am)
All of that complexity could be avoided if people drove manuals. There is no safety interlock or any computerized gadgest in a manual. It is the DRIVER who is in control at all times!!!

#24 of 26 Re: Is the Honda CRV your vehicle of choice? [motoguy128] by lambo2

Apr 16, 2010 (3:49 pm)

Replying to: motoguy128 (Nov 12, 2009 10:09 am)
I would have to disagree with this. Putting the car in neutral while it is accelerating could cost you a $5000 engine, to say nothing of finding the gear, avoiding reverse and locking up the wheels, taking your eyes off the road, etc. etc. There are indeed vehicles with computer systems that detect braking and shut down acceleration, they are "drive by wire" or electronic throttle controls, and we all know how well that is working out on the Toyota (and other models too that have not come to light quite yet). There have been systems with mechanical spring loaded throttles that can be overridden by the computer, but that is just more mechanical linkage to stick or fail. The quickest way, under panic conditions without weighing all of your options and consequences, is to turn the key off, pull all the offending power, and just nurse it safely over to the side of the road. That works on every car, with no special thought required. I have one in my shop right now, that fought the acceleration for 2 miles, ran 2 lights, called 911, and got it stopped by turning off the key right before a major intersection. Better to react quickly and be safe, than to overthink it and hit someone.

#25 of 26 Re: Is the Honda CRV your vehicle of choice? [lambo2] by motoguy128

Jun 08, 2010 (6:13 am)

Replying to: lambo2 (Apr 16, 2010 3:49 pm)
Engines have rev limters that cut hte igniton and fuel at redline. You will not damage the engine.
 
There is no risk of going into reverse. On ALL automatic, you can shift form drive to neutral without pushing in the button on the shifter. When you sitting at idle for a period of time for example, it good for the transmission to shift into neutral. It also saves fuel.
 
If you turn off the engine, you lose power steering. Below about 50mph, the car will get very difficult ot manuever. below 20mph, you better be in good shape. Modern supension geometry is designed to make the car stable at speed. The result of this is very heavy steering. This combined with wide tires and quick steering ratios.
 
ALL of the automotive experts recommend shifting to neutral and deliberately applying the brakes WITHOUT pumping them... then only turning off the ignition when the car has comes to a stop.
 
But again, you only get 1 good stop, and you much stop hard and deliberately. If you stop slowly you will heat up hte brakes faster and soon find the brake sare completely faded. You probably only have about 10 seconds wort of braking before they are overheated. The hardest part is the last 20mph where the engine has the most leverage.
 
The key is not to panic, but I'd venture ot guess that about 2/3rds of the adult population will panic is that situation, and 1/3 would not. You won't know until it happens how you will react.

#26 of 26 Re: Is the Honda CRV your vehicle of choice? [lambo2] by stevedebi

Oct 06, 2010 (3:43 pm)

Replying to: lambo2 (Apr 16, 2010 3:49 pm)
" The quickest way, under panic conditions without weighing all of your options and consequences, is to turn the key off, pull all the offending power, and just nurse it safely over to the side of the road. That works on every car, with no special thought required."
 
Except the Lexus in question, which had no keys.

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