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Is the Honda CRV your vehicle of choice? by bonnielassie1
Nov 06, 2009 (10:12 pm)
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Do you feel safe in the Honda CRV? Are some years better than others? Any reports of sudden uncontrolled acceleration, like in the Toyota products?
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Re: Is the Honda CRV your vehicle of choice? [bonnielassie1] by blueiedgod
Nov 10, 2009 (12:22 pm)
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Replying to: bonnielassie1 (Nov 06, 2009 10:12 pm)

Any reports of sudden uncontrolled acceleration, like in the Toyota products?
 
Ummm, like in almost all of the cases, the "sudden uncontrolled accelration" was caused by improperly installed floor mats, most likely by the user/operator or car wash attendant when the mats were removed for cleaning.
 
As to the state trooper who died at 140 mph... he had time to call 911, but could not put the car in Neutral or turn it off?
 
Come on!!! What are we, children? We are more and more relying on someone else to make a decision for us, be it the manufacturer, governement, neighbor..... How about we use the space between the ears effectively.
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Re: Is the Honda CRV your vehicle of choice? [blueiedgod] by steve_ HOST
Nov 10, 2009 (4:02 pm)
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Nov 10, 2009 12:22 pm)

he had time to call 911, but could not put the car in Neutral or turn it off?
 
That's the big question. Was it really the mats and not some drive-by-wire problem or something else? And the on/off switch requires one to hold the button down for 3 seconds before it will turn the car off. The trooper was in a loaner and probably didn't know that. And the Lexus had a gated shifter that may have confused him.
 
Btw, it was his brother in law in the back seat who was on the cell phone.
 
More over in Brand problems swept under the rug.
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Re: Is the Honda CRV your vehicle of choice? [steve_] by lzc
Nov 11, 2009 (5:37 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 10, 2009 4:02 pm)

Let's hope investigators determine conclusively what caused the acceleration. Speculation, while natural I guess, settles nothing.
 
I can't forget the hysteria over the last big case of "unintended acceleration." Audi sales collapsed in the U.S. to about 7,000/yr, I believe. 60 minutes ran a particularly nasty and hysterical piece that had the car just taking off on its own.
 
In the end, after years of investigation and untold billions in lost business, Audi was cleared. The result of all this was the imposition of a shift sequence requirement that one's foot had to be on the brake before shifting out of Park.
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Re: Is the Honda CRV your vehicle of choice? [blueiedgod] by motoguy128
Nov 11, 2009 (6:34 am)
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Nov 10, 2009 12:22 pm)

The state trooper didn't know that with keyless ignitions, you have to hold the button own for 3 seconds to kill the engine. It was beleived that there might be a lockout preventing the transmission from going to neutral at high engine RPM's or speeds. However, it seems like there are other options such as shifting to D3 or 2nd to force the engine to redline without would cut power. But again, the transmisison's logic might have prevented that action even if the lever is moved.
 
Fortunately, I am not aware of any similar reports on the CR-V. I also thing that Honda uses a smaller accelerator pedal that has more clearance below it.
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Re: Is the Honda CRV your vehicle of choice? [motoguy128] by blueiedgod
Nov 11, 2009 (9:51 am)
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Replying to: motoguy128 (Nov 11, 2009 6:34 am)

The state trooper didn't know that with keyless ignitions, you have to hold the button own for 3 seconds to kill the engine. It was beleived that there might be a lockout preventing the transmission from going to neutral at high engine RPM's or speeds. However, it seems like there are other options such as shifting to D3 or 2nd to force the engine to redline without would cut power. But again, the transmisison's logic might have prevented that action even if the lever is moved.
  
Fortunately, I am not aware of any similar reports on the CR-V. I also thing that Honda uses a smaller accelerator pedal that has more clearance below it.

 
So, let's say the tropper drove the car to his destination without the incident. Would he have left it idling? Or would he have figured out how to turn it off?
 
I just had a rental Camry Hybrid. The button was clearly labeled "Start/Stop." Even without the labeling, my instinct to turn it off would have been to hold the "start" button, since there were no other buttons.
 
And, I think, we have all been using Windows, where you have to press "start" to turn off. I admit, there may be one or two hardcore UNIX/MAC people who have never seen a Windows terminal.
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Re: Is the Honda CRV your vehicle of choice? [blueiedgod] by steve_ HOST
Nov 11, 2009 (10:07 am)
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Nov 11, 2009 9:51 am)

Windows 7 defaults to "Shut Down". The nearest thing it has is "restart".
 
Would he have left it idling?
 
Or the brother in law would have called the dealer. Maybe he should have called the dealer instead of 911, come to think of it.
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Re: Is the Honda CRV your vehicle of choice? [blueiedgod] by kyfdx HOST
Nov 11, 2009 (8:55 pm)
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Nov 11, 2009 9:51 am)

It works differently when the car is in PARK... One push, and it's off...
 
In DRIVE, you have to hold in the button for three seconds.. Definitely not intuitive..
 
I will say... I can't imagine a car that you can't put in neutral from DRIVE, though.. I can see REVERSE being locked out... but, not neutral.. (I'm sure I'll now be proven wrong, though).
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Re: Is the Honda CRV your vehicle of choice? [kyfdx] by motoguy128
Nov 12, 2009 (9:09 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Nov 11, 2009 8:55 pm)

That suprised me as well tha you could not put the vehicle into neutral. I might try that on our Altima and my CR-V. But I'm pretty sure you can. I would always prefer to go to neutral rather than just turning off the ignition. With the igniton off, you lose power to improtant things like ABS/ stability control, gauges, turn signals (except hazards) brake lights, in most cars the headlights, plus you lose all of your power brake assist which comes from engine vacuum.
 
So neutral is the best solution. But again, sliding the shifter into "2" might also have limited the vehciles speed to around 50-60mph... and then "1" would slow it to 30-40mph, but in both caes you might destroy the engine...but at that point, locking up the engine might be a good thing. However... as mentioned, the transmissions computer might override your request.
 
This comes back to a problem with newer vehciles. Computers completely control most functions other than braking and steering, which only have computer assistance. It seems ot me that there should be certain logical safety interlocks in the system. For example, applying more than even 50% throttle while the brakes are being applied hard, does not makes sense. It seems logical, that the computer should reduce the throttle position. This interlock would simply require a pressure switch or transducer on the brake system to determine when the brakes are being applied hard. Next, you should ALWAYS be able to shift into neutral while moving. Finally, once in neutral, the keyless igntions shouldonly require a single push of hte button, not be held down for 3 seconds. If I had an engine fire or it starts making a terrible noise, I want to go to neutral and shut down the engine , but keep rolling to a safe place to pull over.
 
I guess I like keyless gintions, but would still rather have a rotary selector switch, than a push button.
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Re: Is the Honda CRV your vehicle of choice? [motoguy128] by blueiedgod
Nov 12, 2009 (11:34 am)
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Replying to: motoguy128 (Nov 12, 2009 9:09 am)

All of that complexity could be avoided if people drove manuals. There is no safety interlock or any computerized gadgest in a manual. It is the DRIVER who is in control at all times!!!

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