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#456 of 497 02 Altima pre cat and head gasket failure. by jophish Aug 07, 2009 (12:05 pm)
I own a 02 Altima 2.5 which my daughter took to SC. Last week Nissan replaced the pre cat under warranty. After the work was done the dealer called me and said that the head gasket needed replacement. It was then that I decided to fly down from New England to see for myself. I know a fair amount about cars and he was able to justify his diagnosis. The pre cat was covered with baked on oil, plugged up the engine and turned it into a blast furnace frying the head gasket on two cylinders. This is a car that never leaked a drop of coolant. Nissan claims that the pre cat had nothing to do with the gasket failure and was not responsible for repairing it. However they would pay for half. A generous offer since they had just replaced the pre cat. From what I know and read this could be the tip of the ice berg. I feel that Nissan has a responsibility to repair any and all damage caused by the pre cat. Am I crazy?   Jophish.   P.S. The service department at this family owned dealership gets an A+, a pleasure to work with. Replies to this message: jd10013 (Aug 07, 2009 1:53 pm) jophish (Sep 05, 2009 3:28 am)
#457 of 497 Re: 02 Altima pre cat and head gasket failure. [jophish] by jd10013 Aug 07, 2009 (1:53 pm)
Replying to: jophish (Aug 07, 2009 12:05 pm) hard to say. believe it or not, head gaskets do fail. but don't go nuts after reading here. yes, when Nissan redesigned the atlima in 2002 they designed and used a new engine (QR25DE) in it. and yes, like anything else new, it had some problems. But here's the important part. Even though some people have had issues, Nissan has probably sold somewhere in the neighborhood of 3/4 of a million of those engines. may twice that if they're using them overseas. The people that have had problems with them (and I'm not denying they had problems) represent a small fraction of the QR25DE equipped vehicles Nissan has sold.   so don't panic yet.
#458 of 497 NO commitment by rondhol Aug 07, 2009 (4:31 pm)
Head gaskets fail after 200k miles is acceptable, but not 61k miles, just after the warranty expired.   The 2002-2003 pre-cat failure is the biggest issue but no "REAL RECALL" has been done. Voluntary recalls like power valve screws is only good for 04-05 model because 02-03 is not under warranty anymore even they have excactly same design and some of 02-03 owner got their engine destroyed by those screws.   Crankshaft and Camshaft Position sensor is still problematic. It turns out the design was bad (plastic shield), and now Nissan have the revised version with aluminum shield. But, you will never get the free recall twice. You have to pay to get the revised sensors after the failure of the first recall. Many of 02-03 VQ35DE engine have timing chain guide and tensioner premature failure (cost $1500) and bad MAF ($600 part # 22680-8j000). MAF from maxima and G35 with part #22680-AM600 is the best replacement that will not fail again.    Nissan Service is Real . After 6 years/60k miles all 02 have bad engine mount, struts, pre-cat, tie rod end, MAF (3.5L model) and may be head gasket. Replies to this message: jd10013 (Aug 08, 2009 4:59 am)
#459 of 497 Re: NO commitment [rondhol] by jd10013 Aug 08, 2009 (4:59 am)
Replying to: rondhol (Aug 07, 2009 4:31 pm) a head gasket can go at any time. of course the more wear on a car the more likely it is to fail.   and no, not all 02 nissan altima's have bad engine mounts, struts, precat tie rod ends, or maf sensors.   the most important lesson here is don't cheap out on your warranty. people who are willing to spend 20k on a car but wont invest another 1000 on a warranty to protect their investment for 10 yrs or 100k miles are asking for problems. Its a stupid way to reduce your payment by $16 or so. and one I've never understood.
#460 of 497 Re: 2002 Altima - Oil Burning/Engine Failure [achaiah] by electricdesign Aug 09, 2009 (7:16 pm)
Replying to: achaiah (Aug 05, 2009 10:25 am) This discussion is about Nissan Altimas, but since you brought up other brands of cars, I have a 2004 Toyota Highlander with 120,000 miles, and it runs and drives perfect, no engine, no head gasket and no Cat converter problems. I also have a 2000 Ford Explorer with V8 and 170,000 miles, that is trouble free. I have never had to replace a Cat or hollow out a Cat, on any other car that I have ever owned. Maybe not all 2002 Altima 2.5's are lemons, but it seems a lot of them are, and if it happens to you, you would be as unhappy as the rest of us who have got screwed by Nissan. My daughters 2002 Nissan Altima has been a terrible pain, you can read about it in this blog in earlier messeges, I started with messege #75. Lemon laws or warranties won't help me because the miles are too high, it had over 90,000 before I had the Cat & engine problems, and currently has over 125,000 miles. I expect a good engine and transmission given good care, to run reliably for over 200,000 miles. Replies to this message: jd10013 (Aug 22, 2009 7:18 pm) gooddeal2 (Aug 23, 2009 9:20 am)
#461 of 497 BAd design by rondhol Aug 20, 2009 (11:21 am)
99.9999% Altima 02-06 will have bad passenger side and rear engine mounts after 60k miles. It is just bad design. The struts will fail at around 60-100k/6 years miles but we need to replace the struts every 5 years anyway.
#462 of 497 Re: 2002 Altima - Oil Burning/Engine Failure [electricdesign] by jd10013 Aug 22, 2009 (7:18 pm)
Replying to: electricdesign (Aug 09, 2009 7:16 pm) and I had a 1992 sentra with 212k miles on it, no head gasket, not cat converter, no problems at all and still running when I traded it in. I also have a 1998 200sx with 165k miles on it that has never had anything done to it but front brakes. It's still sitting in my driveway, and I usually drive it to and from work.   every ford and chevy I've ever owned was more or less shot at about 120k.   on the other hand, I had a VW Golf that lasted over 300k miles. But don't think your going to find a lot of mechanics that will say VW builds a good car.   The point? there is no point. every manufacture of cars has built a lemon or two in their day. the engine sludging problems in the Camry was at least as common as the converter problems in the atlima. probably worse. ditto the transmission issues with the accord a few years back.   Thats not to say the 3rd gen altima, actually the newly minted QR25DE engine didn't have some issues and problems. But it doesn't mean Nissan is building junk. and neither does a dozen or so people bitching on an internet message board. Replies to this message: gooddeal2 (Aug 23, 2009 9:20 am)
#463 of 497 Re: 2002 Altima - Oil Burning/Engine Failure [jd10013] by gooddeal2 Aug 23, 2009 (9:20 am)
Replying to: jd10013 (Aug 22, 2009 7:18 pm) ....But it doesn't mean Nissan is building junk. and neither does a dozen or so people bitching on an internet message board.   I agree with you 100%. People usually don't go out and try to spread good words about you when you do something nice...but they will try to spread bad words about you every chance they have when you do something bad.

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