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Re: transmission trouble [stevedebi] by bobw3
Nov 16, 2006 (2:02 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Nov 16, 2006 12:20 pm)

What is the MPG difference at city speeds? Cruising along the highway doesn't require much power for any engine, and if the gearing is different, then you'll get different MPG too. Maybe the RAV4's big engine is running at 1500 RPM on the highway while the smaller engine is pushing 3000 RPM? It funny how in my Freestyle I'll get 26mpg on the highway, while some mid sized sedans that are a lot smaller can't even get that, but I guess there's a lot of more variables affecting MPG other than engine size.
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Re: transmission trouble [bobw3] by coldcranker
Nov 16, 2006 (4:47 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Nov 16, 2006 2:02 pm)

Few vehicles have the combination of internal space and MPG that the Freestyle (20/27 city/highway MPG figures) has. Acceleration is adequate at 0-60 in 8.5 seconds. A good 6-speed will get as good of an MPG figure as our CVT. If you could get the low-friction Camry 4-cylinder in the Freestyle, you would be able to get about 2 MPG more, but at the expense of acceleration (probably 10 sec 0-60), and not many want that. Note that Honda's mini-van, with a displacement-on-demand V6, about equals the Freestyle, albeit using some fancy tech. As for the new Ford 3.5L V6, I don't think it can equal the current 3.0L V6's fuel economy without using direct injection and/or variable displacement tricks. That being said, variable cam timing in the 3.5L helps get it closer to the current 3.0L. As an example of some great engineering in a 3.6L V6, notice the GMC Acadia's EPA highway MPG of 26, pretty good in a heavy, larger vehicle (Tahoe size).
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Re: transmission trouble [coldcranker] by arumage
Nov 16, 2006 (6:05 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Nov 16, 2006 4:47 pm)

I'll bet that 3.6L will complain liberally about pushing all that weight though, and the final drive is fairly low, meaning trailering could suffer a bit. Ford's 3.5L is pretty good considering it's design is very simple in comparison to it's competitors.
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I didn't like the T-Rex by stevedebi
Apr 22, 2008 (3:52 pm)
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I recently drove the T-Rex after owning a FS for a couple of years. I did not like the driving experience. I can't really pinpoint why, but the shifts seemed a bit abrupt.
 
Maybe it is just that I'm used to no shifts at all (CVT)!
 
But in any case, I decided to go with a more fuel efficient vehicle, since I seldom used the 7 passenger capability.
 
The dealer had 40 - yes, 40 - Escape / Mariner / Tribute hybrids on the lot, ready for delivery.
 
They had 3 T-Rex, and the only Limited was in black. I drove an SEL, which didn't even have the aux air conditioning. Unbelievable.
 
I can see why the car isn't selling. I was shopping at Galpin Ford, the largest volume dealer in the world.
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Re: I didn't like the T-Rex [stevedebi] by barnstormer64
Apr 22, 2008 (5:35 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Apr 22, 2008 3:52 pm)

Maybe it is just that I'm used to no shifts at all (CVT)!
 
Just a correction . . . you're used to LOTS of SMALL shifts. You'd hate something that never shifted.
 
It's just that there are so many small shifts (instead of a few big ones) that you don't NOTICE the shifting.
 
Long live the CVT!
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Re: I didn't like the T-Rex [barnstormer64] by stevedebi
Apr 23, 2008 (10:36 am)
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Replying to: barnstormer64 (Apr 22, 2008 5:35 pm)

"Just a correction . . . you're used to LOTS of SMALL shifts. You'd hate something that never shifted. "
 
CVT = CONTINUOUSLY Variable Transmission. There are no shifts at all, the power is continuously sent to the wheels.
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Re: I didn't like the T-Rex [stevedebi] by barnstormer64
Apr 23, 2008 (8:45 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Apr 23, 2008 10:36 am)

CVT = CONTINUOUSLY Variable Transmission. There are no shifts at all, the power is continuously sent to the wheels.
 
"variation" = Shift.
 
If there's no shifting, there's no variation in gear ratio.
 
If the gear ratio CHANGES, then it must be SHIFTING. It's just doing it in very, very small increments. Almost like "continuous".
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Re: I didn't like the T-Rex [barnstormer64] by stevedebi
Apr 24, 2008 (11:16 am)
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Replying to: barnstormer64 (Apr 23, 2008 8:45 pm)

"If the gear ratio CHANGES, then it must be SHIFTING. It's just doing it in very, very small increments. Almost like "continuous". "
 
It is a matter of semantic in some respects, but I think the distinction is important.
 
Every point along the continuum is a ratio, but there are infinite possibilities within the minimum and maximum values. There are no defined points where the transmission "shifts" to a different ratio. The conventional definition of an AT "shift" is where the ratio changes. This happens continuously with the CVT.
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Re: I didn't like the T-Rex [stevedebi] by bobw3
Apr 24, 2008 (2:50 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Apr 22, 2008 3:52 pm)

My '05 FS FWD can get close to 30mpg on the highway if I keep the speed at 65mph, and I average in the low 20s with mixed driving...what are you expecting to get with the hybrids you're looking at and do you think it's worth all the money you'll lose when you trade in the FS for the new vehicle?
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Re: I didn't like the T-Rex [stevedebi] by humblecoder
Apr 24, 2008 (4:38 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Apr 22, 2008 3:52 pm)

I recently drove the T-Rex after owning a FS for a couple of years. I did not like the driving experience. I can't really pinpoint why, but the shifts seemed a bit abrupt.
  
Maybe it is just that I'm used to no shifts at all (CVT)!

 
Not sure what you mean by "abrupt" exactly. I've driven the TX for a total of 6 weeks now, and I have noticed a bit more shifting that I am used to. I attribute it to the fact that I went from driving a 4-speed to a 6-speed, so I am not used to the 2 additional shifts to get it into the highest gear. It isn't annoying by any means, just an observation. When it does shift, it is very smooth, and the extra gears means that I can cruise at 65 mph with the tach under 2000 rpm.
 
The dealer had 40 - yes, 40 - Escape / Mariner / Tribute hybrids on the lot, ready for delivery.
  
They had 3 T-Rex, and the only Limited was in black. I drove an SEL, which didn't even have the aux air conditioning. Unbelievable.
  
I can see why the car isn't selling. I was shopping at Galpin Ford, the largest volume dealer in the world

 
Dealers around here don't seem to stock a lot of them, either. I think it is a chicken-and-egg type thing. The TX doesn't sell so dealer don't stock them, but if they don't stock them, people are less likely to buy them!

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