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Cadillac STS, Cadillac STS-V, Sedan
#6 of 53 Re: STS Quality [sls002]
May 01, 2006 (5:12 pm)
I have a 2005 STS V6 lux. Got it in April 05. Now 13 mos old with 13 K mikes. Not a hiccup. I was a little GM shy myself from a previous Buick. But I love the in your face American styling - and I admit to liking USA products when they meet or beat the competition.
Personally, I would do it again but get the new STS with even more goodies. My dealer is excellent, but since I have had only 2 oil changes, I haven't had to "put them to the test" - and don't think I will time soon.
No transmission "hunting" a la Lexus and Toyota. No engine problems. Regular gas if you want. Plus the car automatically emails you monthly about it's service status and sends an emergency email if it detects trouble!
Only dislike is the useless glove compartment, but it is the same for every other car in this class.
BTW, the transmission is built in France by a GM - Franco group and it is the same 5 speed automatic as in the BMW 5 series. The V6 is peppy as heck and I saw little difference between it and the V8. If you don't want to spring for the Nav, wait for a June or after STS with the "turn to turn" On-Star feature. It's a Nav system with voice directions and turn indicators on the instrument panel, but no large (space eating) display above the console. On Star is vastly underrated - every car ought to have this or similar, including the built in phone.
If you're looking for a full size car, go DTS. The STS is a smaller, sportier car but actually has a bigger wheel base than the DTS, but less interior room.
If you are considering a rear wheel, BMW 5 series type car, this is a great choice and it has the largest interior in that class. Plus you can make a great deal with GM - they are out to move their iron.
The Cadillac division has bent over backwards to be courteous and to thank me for my business. A refreshing surprise.
Hope that helps.
#7 of 53 Re: STS Quality [baltoman]
May 02, 2006 (6:14 am)
While it is true that at one time BMW used GM's 5 speed automatic, now they have a 6 speed from some other supplier. There is a possibility that the 2007 STS will get GM's 6 speed, perhaps as an option. I say this only because the XLR is getting the 6 speed. However, the Corvette is using the 6 speed, so perhaps this not really a clue.
I think that BMW may still be using the 5 speed on the X-series trucks made here in the US.
#8 of 53 six speed in 2007 STS ? ? ? Re: STS Quality [sls002]
May 02, 2006 (8:04 am)
Since many (most?) of the GM cars with few changes for 2007 (CTS, Corvette, others) have their ordering guides out, I cling to hope that the STS (non-V-s, with no ordering guide yet posted) will (also) have the six speed automatic added.
Though one could certainly argue that the CTS (with "only" 6 cylinder motors) might benefit more in performance, and I was certainly hoping for the six speed there as well, I suppose it is possible that the RWD six speed might be seen as the ‘most premium’ component, and appropriate for the most premium model = STS.
We’ll see . . .
Whishin’ & hopein’ . . .
#9 of 53 Re: STS Quality [sls002]
May 02, 2006 (8:19 am)
Per GM's Strasbourg website on May 2 2006:
"The Strasbourg site provides automatic transmissions to a number of high level external customers, such as BMW, Land Rover, Opel and Cadillac"
I believe the 6 speed is not yet available to any but Cadillac and Corvette until production ramps.
#10 of 53 six speed autom avail . . .Re: STS Quality [baltoman]
May 02, 2006 (8:34 am)
(Outside the Corvette & Caddy) It is also listed as available for the 2007 Yukon Danali:
"MYC Transmission, 6-speed automatic, heavy-duty, electronically controlled with
overdrive, tow/haul mode and tap up/tap down shifting"
NOT currently in need of such a large Sport Ute . .
#11 of 53 Re: STS Quality [baltoman]
May 02, 2006 (8:41 am)
If you check with the BMW website you will find that all of their cars and trucks (3-series, X-3, X-5, 5-series...) have six (6) speed automatics only. At one time in the dead past GM's 5 speed automatic was used at BMW, but not now.
#12 of 53 Re: STS Quality [sls002]
May 03, 2006 (7:39 am)
I'm sure you are correct about USA models.
But my point had to do with the quality of the STS - that high end autos such as the BMW use(d) the same GM designed and manufactured tranny.
Back to the "does BMW still use the GM tranny"...
Pls be aware that in Europe, the Z4, among others, is available w/ your choice of manual or 5 speed automatics.
From the Ireland BMW web site:
"In addition to a choice of 5- and 6-speed manual transmissions, the BMW Z4 also offers the option of 5-speed automatic transmission..."
Looks like everyone is having problems getting enough 6 speeds for every model in every market. Consumers obviously want them with the cost of petrol so high.
I'm sure every high end auto will move to 6 or 7 speed trannys as soon as possible.
#13 of 53 Re: STS Quality [baltoman]
May 04, 2006 (6:10 am)
I do not think that BMW equips their car in Europe with a different transmission than the ones that are sent to the USA. The Z4 on the international site is shown to offer a 6 speed automatic only.
The history of BMW using a GM automatic dates back to when they were using a ZF automatic and there were too many problems with those transmissions. So, BMW asked GM for a transmission, and started with a 4 speed, but this was upgraded to the 5 speed that GM has been using in the RWD sigma Cadillacs. I think that ZF has returned to supply BMW with a 6 speed automatic. I suppose that BMW has made sure that the new ZF transmission will be reliable.
GM is correct in that the 5 speed was used by BMW, but the proper term is "was", not "is".
#14 of 53 Re: STS Quality [cumptrnrd]
May 10, 2006 (10:55 am)
Love the Northstar. If they are using the engine that is in my wife's 00 Eldorado ESC in the Lucerne, then I think it is one of the best decisions they ever made. No oil burn whatsoever, and her Eldorado gets [no bull] 32 mpg on the highway, and about 23-24 on around town driving. We had one issue with crankshaft sensors that were replaced under warranty. [It may have been a common problem because the svc. tech diagnosed it as soon as I told him the problem symtoms--stalling at a light-- but nothing else in five years. Gets better gas mileage by far than my 6 cyl. Chrysler 300M, and also just edges out my 04 Vette which gets about 30 mpg at highway speeds under 70. The fact that a Northstar was going into the Lucerne piqued my interest, but the car design is so bland I have not driven one, and will probably go for an STS first.
#15 of 53 2002 Seville headaches
Jan 10, 2007 (3:46 pm)
My wife and I purchased a used 2002 STS with approx 52,000 a year ago. Since then the check tire pressure is always on even after manually checking each tire against the man. specs, the auto. windshield wipers no longer come on when it rains, it vibrates at exactly 60mph but stops at 65mph and it continually leakes oil even after paying to have a gasket replaced which required the engine pulled out in order to get to the gasket. Now the 6 disk CD changer has gone on the blink. Is this what is to be expected from Cadillac? I've gone to the dealer and been told that they either don't know whats wrong with it and even if they did none of it would be covered under the extended warranty we purchased.
Any suggestions, constructive comments, ideas or anything else that may assist in getting this car to the level that I thought cadillacs should be at?