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#403 of 443 Re: Post 395 is vague and doesn't really [iluvmysephia1] by bottgers Jul 29, 2007 (11:59 am)
Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Jul 29, 2007 8:48 am) "Looking at how they're doing now I have no reason to believe that South Korean cars are not going to just keep getting better and better as the years roll by."   That's where you and I are different. You assume Korean cars will just keep getting better, while I will be waiting to see if they actually do. I was part of the group of people who were sceptical about Japanese cars. When they first started showing up here in the states I thought they were nothing but cheap throw-aways. Fast forward 20 years. Now the Japanese have established themselves as the most reliable auto makers in the world. The Koreans are just starting out and their cars are atrocious nightmares. Fast forward to today. The Japanese have another couple of decades of building the world's most reliable vehicles under their belts, while the Koreans have proved they can improve. Notice I didn't say the Koreans have proven they can build cars just as good as the Japanese? That hasn't been proven yet. I realize Korean vehicles are constantly compared to that of the Japanese by not only people in this forum, but the also the magazines, and the marketing by the Koreans has almost exclusively compared their vehicles to the Japanese. The magazines even pick Koreans vehicles over Japanese vehicles in comparisons from time to time, but have you ever noticed you never see these comparisons done over a period of 100K or 200K miles? That is where the true measure of build quality lies. It isn't whether or not the battery case is lined, or if the hood has the little shocks or has to be propped open with a rod, it's about how good the car looks after 100K miles. It's about how many times the car had to be taken in for repairs over the course of that 100K miles. It's how well the car drives, are there any rattles or squeeks, are interior molding falling off, etc, at 100K or 200K miles. It's about how much the car is worth at 100K. These are the true measures of build quality and in these areas, the Koreans still fall short.   Will the Koreans ever catch the Japanese? It's certainly possible, but it hasn't happened yet and until they can match the Japanese in the areas I mentioned then they can't be considered an equal.
#404 of 443 Re: ttai [bottgers] by joe97 Jul 29, 2007 (8:48 pm)
Replying to: bottgers (Jul 28, 2007 6:33 pm) Throw all research data out the window, part of what I do for a living, where facts have supported Hyundai builds quality and reliable vehicles, mind you, my neighbor owns a 98 Sonata which still runs, for the most part, as trouble-free as you can get for a 10 year old car with almost 200K on the odometer. I can go on and on, give you more stories from actual and real owners, from all makers, good or bad. I can also tell you the fact different brands of vehicles sold these days are not far apart with respect to quality and reliability, contrary to your belief. Of course there are some exceptions and outliers but for the most part, every single car, suv, truck coming out of the factory are pretty good by today's standards. The biggest factor lies within all of this is perception.   If I am not mistaken, you and ttai are Yaris owners, and I sincerely hope you enjoy the car during the time of the ownership. It's nice econ driver. I should mention, however, you're jumping on the gun about others, by generalizing: "avid Korean car fanatics in here and they will tout those cars until the bitter end" - just because others don't share the same opinions or views as you do? I've seen most giving their reports about these two cars, after their experience in them. Actually, I don't think anyone has said the Yaris is garbage and Accent is gold, the opposite has been posted, unfortunately...   Let's try and focus on the cars themselves instead of unsupported generalization.   For me, neither the Accent nor the Yaris is anything to tout about. FWIW, they are great econ daily drivers and both do good jobs from point A to point B. Yaris has its advantages and so does the Accent. Between the two, I'd give an edge to the Accent, the SE model, based on my drives, has the most fun factor for anything under 15K (MSRP).
#405 of 443 joe97... by iluvmysephia1 Jul 30, 2007 (10:35 am)
yep, I have been reading your posts for a long time and you seem to see things similar to backy and I. The thing is, both backy and I(I don't know about you)have owned Kia's or Hyundai's and have personal experience with them.   In my case, both of my Kia's have been solid, dependable rigs and, as a bonus, I prefer the Korean styling to the Japanese(generally speaking). I think that Kia designers are spot on. In fact, the Sephia's body styling had it all over the Corolla and the Civic, so I checked out a Sephia and drove one. It was the infamous 1999 Kia Sephia that promoted me to tag it's name for my Edmunds nickname!   The '01 Kia Sportage 4X4 that followed the Sephia was a great little SUV. At 130,000 miles I traded it for my '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS. Nope, I am not a Japanese car basher, I now own one! I think keeping an open mind is the way to go with cars. When I make these pro-Kia/Hyundai comments it's because I believe what I am saying to be the truth and I have personal experience to prove it out. I would not hesitate to buy another Kia in the future. Replies to this message: joe97 (Jul 30, 2007 12:51 pm) backy (Jul 30, 2007 1:48 pm) lhanson (Jul 30, 2007 5:26 pm) backy (Jul 30, 2007 5:36 pm)
#406 of 443 Re: joe97... [iluvmysephia1] by joe97 Jul 30, 2007 (12:51 pm)
Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Jul 30, 2007 10:35 am) Unfortunately, I have yet to own any Hyundai/Kia vehicles, but I have driven plenty of them for work and other occasions. I have on my short list Hyundai/Kia vehicles, as my next car - have been doing quite a bit of research here and everywhere else where I could gather pertinent information.   Agreed with your point of view!!
#407 of 443 Re: joe97... [iluvmysephia1] by backy Jul 30, 2007 (1:48 pm)
Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Jul 30, 2007 10:35 am) I think that is the key--keeping an open mind--in order to get the best car for one's needs at the best price. I've owned many Japanese cars (I own two now in fact, one made in Japan and one a Japanese design made in the U.S.) and would have no problem buying a Yaris if certain things that I can't put up with would be addressed. But in fact, as I've stated on Town Hall, I wouldn't buy an Accent right now either, due to its poor showing on the IIHS side impact crash test. If I had to choose right now between a Yaris hatch and an Accent hatch, which is the point of this discussion, I'd choose the Accent hatch (SE) since it comes standard with safety equipment that I want and does better on the IIHS side impact test than the Yaris hatch that I could buy in my area--which would have no side airbags or curtains, and no ABS either (meaning very long stopping distances dry or wet per published reports). If I could find a Yaris hatch with ABS and side bags, I wouldn't buy one--I think there's better choices for what I want in a car, for the same money or less, e.g. Versa. Replies to this message: lhanson (Jul 30, 2007 5:26 pm) backy (Jul 30, 2007 5:36 pm)
#408 of 443 Re: joe97... [backy] by lhanson Jul 30, 2007 (5:26 pm)
Replying to: backy (Jul 30, 2007 1:48 pm) Backy, if you should change your mind, you can order the Yaris hatch from one of the Memphis dealers with the ABS and and side curtain airbags (option C). I will be happy to pick you up at the airport and take you to the dealer of your choice if you don't mind riding in my Yaris without ABS and side curtain airbags. Don't worry, our traffic is not as bad as 494 in Bloomington. Replies to this message: backy (Jul 30, 2007 5:36 pm)
#409 of 443 Re: joe97... [lhanson] by backy Jul 30, 2007 (5:36 pm)
Replying to: lhanson (Jul 30, 2007 5:26 pm) That is good to know, thanks. I may take you up on that, if and when Toyota does something to improve the driving position in the Yaris, improves the gauges, and makes the hatch with ABS, six airbags, and 60/40 rear seat available for around $13k. Hopefully within the next year or so, which is when I need to add a car to the family fleet.
#410 of 443 Keep that offer in mind, backy... by iluvmysephia1 Jul 30, 2007 (8:31 pm)
Memphis would be a cool town to go take in some blues and/or rock/country music shows after you score your Yaris.   I was falling hard for the Yaris sedan in 2006 while living in Pocatello, ID. I'd drive in to the Toyota lot where there was a red 2007 Yaris sedan selling for $14,995 for the longest time. One day I went in there and it was gone.   But our Sportage 4X4 was running like a champ and I just didn't feel completely right about getting that Yaris. I also test drove a 2006 Polar White Scion xA in 5-speed form up in Idaho Falls, ID. Ya know that little monster was loaded to the gills for $14,495, also a decent deal. What is cool about Toyota products is they hold their value like no other common man's car.   The xA was also just not a good fit for us as well and I just stopped looking with any serious intent. That was until we moved to Arizona and Mitsubishi started releasing photos of their new Lancer. Oh, before that I was drooling over the 2007 Suzuki SX4, which I think would be a good little rig, too. I am glad I waited for the new world order Lancer, though.   Right now I can tell you with complete honesty that there is no other rig on the market that interests me. That is not changing as I enjoy my Lancer GTS, so I think I made a great choice for us.
#411 of 443 MT's opinion by backy Jul 31, 2007 (10:45 am)
I was looking over MT's 2008 preview issue and noticed how they ranked the Accent and Yaris (5 star scale, where 5 stars = "you gotta drive this before you die"):   Accent: 3 stars = "Right on the money" Yaris: 2.5 stars = somewhere between "For your neighbors" (2 stars) and "Right on the money"   To put that in perspective, they ranked most cars between 2 and 3.5, with cars they regard highly like the Accord and Camry (2007 COTY) as 3.5. Not many 5s, or even 4s, there.   They also mentioned Accent is getting standard XM radio and TPMS for 2008, and revised gauges on the GLS and SE. Yaris is getting an S trim level for the hatch. Replies to this message: joe97 (Aug 01, 2007 3:21 pm)
#412 of 443 I'm still waiting to see..... by bottgers Aug 01, 2007 (4:20 am)
....what changes are in store for the Yaris liftback for '08. This car sorely needs a tach and cruise control. Hopefully those items will be included for the '08's. Replies to this message: backy (Aug 01, 2007 8:11 am) lhanson (Aug 01, 2007 11:37 am)

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