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Replying to: joe97 (Oct 04, 2006 10:10 am) I am trying to find a good link to the "problems per 100" study, which is more applicable to the statement of Toyota having "many" problems. T
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Replying to: tjw1308 (Oct 04, 2006 10:15 am) 
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Replying to: joe97 (Oct 04, 2006 10:17 am) Just out of curiosity, do you have a link to the current VDS? I can't seem to find one  That way, we can look at how "many" more problems Toyota has than Hyundai, when we look at a slightly wider ownership window than 90 days? T
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Replying to: tjw1308 (Oct 04, 2006 10:21 am) The reason why it's not relevant discussion is because both models are new (well, Yaris, relative), so reliability is still a moot point. Of course, everyone, including Toyota, would tell you the new Hyundai lineup are a lot better than previous models, even back track 3 years (2003)
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Replying to: joe97 (Oct 04, 2006 10:25 am) Do you know when MOST cars start having trouble? I'll give you a hint before you bring up the IQS... it isn't less than 3 years, and it certainly isn't less than 90 days lol... So since most cars don't start having trouble within 3 years, a 3-year reliability study will be of limited value.
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Replying to: joe97 (Oct 04, 2006 10:25 am) As discussed before, despite being "new" the Yaris shares a lot mechanically in common with the ECHO. So does the Accent (with the previous-gen). Look at the history of both, and it's easy to PREDICT that the Yaris will be more reliable. The other issue is, Backy made the statement that Toyota is having "many" problems. 3 years ago is too long now? I might even give you that they've come a long way from the days of the Scoupe/Excel (12 years ago), but THREE years is too long??? Come on now T |
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Replying to: backy (Oct 04, 2006 10:31 am) And since you want to ring the IQS like the Liberty Bell, funny how that "honeymoon" wears off in less than 3 years now isn't it?  T
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Replying to: tjw1308 (Oct 04, 2006 9:56 am) Why would we want to do that? Besides being off-topic, it would highlight the fact that Toyota offers many more models than Hyundai as well as outsells them worldwide by, what was it, 20:1?  But if you want to bring up awards for the Yaris or Accent hatchbacks, I think that would be pertinent. For example, there was the recent award by cars.com re the Accent being the value champ over the Fit and Yaris. If I find any others I'll let you know. My miles driven over the years has varied but is overall around 10k a year +/-. If you consider that "far less" than 12k, we'll have to agree to disagree on that. I also thought we settled long ago, that on comparably equipped cars, using TMV, that once you factor in AVERAGE gas use, the Yaris is in fact less expensive... I don't recall settling that. I do recall agreeing that the gas savings could offset the Accent's depreciation (dollar) advantage, depending on gas prices and miles driven. But one thing I forgot about is finance charges--you pointed out that the average buyer finances their cars, and the Accent costs less up front comparably equipped, so there's that factor to consider also. (And recall the difference in purchase price was greater than $1000.) As well as when you look at a 5 year, 12k miles/year horizon, you have two more years of full warranty coverage on the Accent than on the Yaris, so repair expenses should be less on average (not everyone's Yaris will break in years 4-5, but some will). As for loans not being paid to term, how much of that is due to the car being sold vs. the loan being paid off early? On the car loans I've made over the years, I paid only one out to full term--the rest I paid off early (and not because I sold the car). IF you calculate in purchase price, depreciation, finance charges, and gas-mileage (no matter how much of a window you look at) the Yaris either beats, or is within a hundred dollars or so, of the Accent. Not sure how you figure that. The Accent holds the advantage in purchase price, depreciation (in dollars), finance charges. Can the gas savings offset that? Let's see with an example based on an "average" driver who drives the U.S. average 12k miles a year for five years, assuming $3 a gallon: Accent MT: 33.5 mpg, $5373 in gas costs. Yaris MT: 37 mpg, $4864 in gas costs. So the Yaris saves about $500 in gas over five years. Does that outweigh both the depreciation dollar savings and finance charge savings and repair cost savings over five years? As for "far more risk", you are entitled to your opinion, which I disagree with. At least you admit now that you actually said it.
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Replying to: tjw1308 (Oct 04, 2006 10:39 am)
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