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Hatchbacks Toyota Yaris 2007 Hyundai Accent v 2007 Toyota Yaris Lift
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As you are finding out, there are a few avid Korean car fanatics in here and they will tout those cars until the bitter end. I haven't quite figured out why they're so sold on these cars as the only thing the Koreans have proven is they can improve on building some of the worst, if not THE worst cars ever built. They have not yet proven they can build cars with the same level of build quality, durability, and long term reliability as the best Japanese auto makers, and yet to listen to some of these guys, you'd think it was the Japanese who are trying to catch up with the Koreans. Call me old fashioned, or just plain stubborn, but I'm afraid the Koreans will have to prove to me they can 1) build cars at the same level of build quality as the Japanese (which they are not yet doing regardless of what all of their fans claim), and 2) do so for a period of a couple of decades or so like the Japanese have done. If they can accomplish this (and that's a big IF), then, and only then I will give them the credit they will have earned. Until then, they get no free pass from me.
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Replying to: bottgers (Jul 28, 2007 6:33 pm)
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Replying to: lhanson (Jul 28, 2007 6:48 pm)
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Replying to: bottgers (Jul 28, 2007 7:05 pm) So that leaves open the possibility that the Accent is actually a world-class car.  Maybe we could return now to the discussion about Yaris vs. Accent, and not about general musings about Korean and American vs. Japanese car quality?
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Replying to: backy (Jul 28, 2007 7:27 pm) Sure they can and do. Buick builds cars and has for a long time that are at least equal to the best Japanese cars. Some of the big 3's full size pickups are also at least as good. "So that leaves open the possibility that the Accent is actually a world-class car." There's always a possibility, but you know what they say; you can dress a turd in a sweater, but it's still a turd.....
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Replying to: bottgers (Jul 28, 2007 8:06 pm) Just a thought.
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Replying to: backy (Jul 29, 2007 7:22 am) |
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nail any tacks down as to what you don't like. This is usually the case with Korean car bashers. They say vague, put-down comments about Korean cars that don't get to the point and then expect all the people that like Korean cars and have had good experiences with them to just shut up. Ahh-ahh, not me, not this time. Really, the only thing that a person can take away from post 395 that will stick is that you would like to see how Kia/Hyundai rigs will hold up for 20 years reliability/build wise. Well, best be watchin' close for another 20 years and then come back and commnent on how well they do hold up. Looking at how they're doing now I have no reason to believe that South Korean cars are not going to just keep getting better and better as the years roll by. The Yaris can tout great gas mileage and great resale values, but, for those that don't like the Scion xD or an older Scion xA, and wanted a Toyota Yaris 5-door cross/hatch I guess they'll just have to look back to Kia and Hyundai. Unless for a 4-door Yaris they want the sedan. If looking at this class of cars to buy I would score myself a Kia Rio5 or Kia Rio sedan.
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Jul 29, 2007 8:48 am) That's where you and I are different. You assume Korean cars will just keep getting better, while I will be waiting to see if they actually do. I was part of the group of people who were sceptical about Japanese cars. When they first started showing up here in the states I thought they were nothing but cheap throw-aways. Fast forward 20 years. Now the Japanese have established themselves as the most reliable auto makers in the world. The Koreans are just starting out and their cars are atrocious nightmares. Fast forward to today. The Japanese have another couple of decades of building the world's most reliable vehicles under their belts, while the Koreans have proved they can improve. Notice I didn't say the Koreans have proven they can build cars just as good as the Japanese? That hasn't been proven yet. I realize Korean vehicles are constantly compared to that of the Japanese by not only people in this forum, but the also the magazines, and the marketing by the Koreans has almost exclusively compared their vehicles to the Japanese. The magazines even pick Koreans vehicles over Japanese vehicles in comparisons from time to time, but have you ever noticed you never see these comparisons done over a period of 100K or 200K miles? That is where the true measure of build quality lies. It isn't whether or not the battery case is lined, or if the hood has the little shocks or has to be propped open with a rod, it's about how good the car looks after 100K miles. It's about how many times the car had to be taken in for repairs over the course of that 100K miles. It's how well the car drives, are there any rattles or squeeks, are interior molding falling off, etc, at 100K or 200K miles. It's about how much the car is worth at 100K. These are the true measures of build quality and in these areas, the Koreans still fall short. Will the Koreans ever catch the Japanese? It's certainly possible, but it hasn't happened yet and until they can match the Japanese in the areas I mentioned then they can't be considered an equal. |
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Replying to: bottgers (Jul 28, 2007 6:33 pm) If I am not mistaken, you and ttai are Yaris owners, and I sincerely hope you enjoy the car during the time of the ownership. It's nice econ driver. I should mention, however, you're jumping on the gun about others, by generalizing: "avid Korean car fanatics in here and they will tout those cars until the bitter end" - just because others don't share the same opinions or views as you do? I've seen most giving their reports about these two cars, after their experience in them. Actually, I don't think anyone has said the Yaris is garbage and Accent is gold, the opposite has been posted, unfortunately... Let's try and focus on the cars themselves instead of unsupported generalization. For me, neither the Accent nor the Yaris is anything to tout about. FWIW, they are great econ daily drivers and both do good jobs from point A to point B. Yaris has its advantages and so does the Accent. Between the two, I'd give an edge to the Accent, the SE model, based on my drives, has the most fun factor for anything under 15K (MSRP). |
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