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Replying to: roxy11 (Jul 26, 2007 4:12 pm) |
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Replying to: roxy11 (Jul 26, 2007 4:12 pm) * There are only 7 ratings for the 2007 Accent AT and 3 for the MT. Not very large samples, compared to the samples for the 2007 Yaris. The samples for the 2006 Accent (the same car as the 2007 but in sedan form only) are even lower. * Note that the mpg's for the 2006 Accents are significantly higher than for the 2007s. This is consistent with what I and many other Hyundai owners (per posts in CarSpace et. al.) have experienced, i.e., Hyundai engines are "tight" and get much better fuel economy as they loosen up, beyond 15-20,000 miles or so. Note for example the 2007 AT average is 26.6 while the 2006 average is 30.6, or 15% higher. The MT average is higher for 2006 also. This is consistent with what I saw on the two Hyundais I've owned. They both got 15-20% better fuel economy after the first 15,000 miles or so. (FE actually started going up after a couple thousand miles and kept going up.) After break-in, I had no problem exceeding the EPA numbers. And if you look at the fueleconomy.gov numbers, that is exactly what these Accent drivers are doing, except for the 2007 AT owners (1.4 mpg below the EPA average so far). If you compare the average mpg of the Yaris MT drivers to that of the 2006 Accent MT drivers, the difference is 2.5 mpg. Not a huge difference. The difference for ATs is bigger, about 4.5 mpg. So if someone likes the Accent but wants the best fuel economy, they really need to get the MT--which is the way to go on small cars like these anyway, IMO.
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Replying to: backy (Jul 26, 2007 5:50 pm) the yaris has a much larger sampling and i expect no matter how large the yaris sample gets, the numbers wont change much. like i said, any prospective owners would serve themselves well to thoroughly read mpg sections for any applicable owner forums for these cars. i did and the results were clear. there are a few hyundai owners claiming good mileage, but that simply is not the trend. im confident that the average accent owner will get around 5-6 mpg less than the average yaris owner. this is around a 15% difference. with little effort, im averaging 42.3 mpg over 6 tanks with 70/30 highway/city driving in an 07 yaris. this is on an engine that has only around 2500 miles on it. i think i might squeeze 35 mpg out of an accent, but its only a guess. bottom line is what your priority is and what your confidence level is. i dont think the accent is an awful car overall, but the mileage numbers, imo, are disappointing for a subcompact. (much like the chevy aveo)
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Replying to: roxy11 (Jul 27, 2007 6:19 am) Yet you had no problem in your earlier post making generalizations about Yaris vs. Accent fuel economy using this small sample size.  So if it's OK for you to do that, I guess it's OK for me to do that. Anyway, I'm not just generalizing based on the small sample size on fueleconomy.gov. I am also using as a base many posts here on CarSpace and other forums that confirm that FE on Hyundais goes up significantly as the engine gets some miles. Thus I think it's reasonable to conclude that the FE numbers on fueleconomy.gov for the 2006 Accents are more representative of what to expect from the Accent than the 2007 numbers. And the 2006 numbers show a small difference in fuel economy (about 7%) for the MT, a bigger one for the AT. I think you would squeeze better than 35 mpg out of an Accent after break-in, given that I have no problem getting low 30s in a 50/50 pattern on a much larger Hyundai (2.0L 138 hp AT) and over 40 mpg on the highway with an MT. A lot depends on driving style however. I would guess from your numbers that, like me, you drive with an eye to FE rather than a lead foot.
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What is often overlooked is the difference in what it costs to insure these two cars. Typically the Yaris costs hundreds of dollars per year less than the Accent to insure. It is hard to believe, since they both have about the same replacement cost. Any ideas?
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Replying to: backy (Jul 27, 2007 6:31 am) i agree that nothing conclusive can be drawn from such a small sample of accents. its only my opinion that a larger sample size would bring the average to close to 30 mpg for an automatic accent, maybe a bit higher for a manual. however, i have to give more validity to the sample size for the yaris. yes, i drive with fuel efficiency in mind, but dont do anything drastic. i mostly watch my shift points and anticipate stop lights and signs. many people dont. much like my 5 speed corolla, my effort in getting 40+ mpg in the yaris is pretty minimal. for many, getting 35 mpg would be fine. for me, its not. my only tank with a solid 50% highway/50% city mix still gave me 40.8 mpg. regarding insurance rates, there are so many factors to an individuals rates..for comparisons sake, i pay $580 per year on my 07 yaris with AAA, full coverage, michigan, 41 yrs old, completely clean driving record. im very pleased with my rates, but i know certain regions in the country would be much worse for me. why should an accent be any more to insure? is it because the risk is spread over a smaller number of cars? |
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Replying to: lhanson (Jul 27, 2007 8:41 am) |
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In the Toyota Yaris discussion, ttai made a post about the sales numbers for the Yaris vs. other small cars, and there was a thread that started about why Yaris sales numbers are much higher than Accent sales numbers. One suggestion was that it was due to Hyundai shipping relatively few Accents here; here is ttai's response to that: I saw a ton of accents at the dealer I went to. I doubt it's a supply issue. I can believe the Fit is a supply issue. Honda is shipping them very slowly. How many was "a ton"? (Also interesting that you, the proud owner of a Yaris, would be visiting a Hyundai dealer. Looking to trade?  ) I stop by my nearest Hyundai dealer pretty regularly, to check out all the new Hyundai models (9 in the past 30 months) and for scheduled maintenance on my Hyundai. Typically, there's less than 10 Accents on the lot. Maybe 4-5 sedans, 2-3 GSes, and 1-2 SEs. I have never seen a stick SE on this lot, or any other Hyundai lot. (I've never seen an SE w/o the moonroof/sound system package also.) I did see a stick GS once. The dealer has told me that the stick Accents and base SEs fly off the lot as soon as they arrive and the others are selling well also. This story is backed up by the relatively low incentives on the Accent, just $500, lowest of any Hyundai except the brand-new Veracruz. If Accents weren't selling pretty well vs. supply, incentives would be higher.
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Replying to: backy (Jul 28, 2007 11:46 am)
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Replying to: ttai (Jul 28, 2007 12:13 pm) But thanks for mentioning that you have looked at (driven?) the Accent--I think that's the first time you've said that here. Which one(s) did you look at or drive, and what about the car specifically did you hate? |
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