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Replying to: backy (Oct 03, 2006 6:05 pm) What I did say was that there was NO evidence that they have become as reliable as Toyota, so claiming that they've come a long way is still afar cry from being EVEN. They may be getting CLOSER, but they aren't there yet, and that is black and white. Look, I get that you are very proud of your Hyundai, and truly, that's cool. Nothing wrong with going off of personal experiences either. It's obvious that by your own habits (driving less than 10k a year), the Hyundai may be a good choice for you. Most people will experience more problems than you simply because MOST people drive thousands more miles per year than you do. That would be true no matter what you drove. The Yaris is a better choice with regards to gas-mileage, residual, and predicted reliability. T
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Replying to: tjw1308 (Oct 03, 2006 7:01 pm) Maybe you are very proud of your Yaris. I wouldn't say I am or have been very proud of any car I've owned. I'm proud of my children; that's another thing entirely. I have had a positive ownership experience with the two Hyundais I've owned. I enjoy driving my Hyundai today even though it's a dated design--the oldest design of any of Hyundai's current offerings. In many respects it's not near the car the 2007 Accent is. Most people will experience more problems than you simply because MOST people drive thousands more miles per year than you do. That would be true no matter what you drove. Like the Corolla I owned that had four major problems in less than 3 years? About the Scoupe/Excel stuff... since that is off-topic, were you just practicing the lines you use on customers when they say, "Well, we're also looking at the Accent"? Did you look at that CR 2006 Annual Auto issue? Did you notice Hyundai isn't anywhere near worst? Did you notice today's date--October 3, 2006? Not October 3, 1994? The last model year for the Excel was 1994.
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Replying to: backy (Oct 03, 2006 7:22 pm) Watch, here's a quote of yours: "You and everyone else can read as well as I can." Wow? Really? Seems like there was more to what you were saying there... but what do I know? But on to less trivial things... Yes, we DO poke fun at Hyundai's history. It's off topic a little, but in general, Hyundai/KIA were the laughing stock of the industry. That's a hard thing to shake. Indeed it is 2006. Let's have a look at the current CR for a moment and check Hyundai vs. Toyota? Yikes. ECHO (old-gen Yaris) vs. Accent? Yikes. If it's changing (Hyundai being as reliable, or even close to for that matter, Toyota), it hasn't happened yet. Also realize that AGE/MILEAGE plays a major role in reliability too... If I only drove a Model T 50 miles a year, I may consider it to be reliable. The word MOST (people) has a key importance also, because most people drive 12k to 15k per year (or more), and are exposed to MANY more age related problems than you are (driving less than 10k per). T
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Replying to: tjw1308 (Oct 03, 2006 7:38 pm) ECHO (old-gen Yaris) vs. Accent? Yikes. If it's changing (Hyundai being as reliable, or even close to for that matter, Toyota), it hasn't happened yet. I guess you didn't look at that CR report. It shows the latest reliability rating for the last-generation Accent to be a solid red dot--same as the latest rating for the ECHO. Or maybe you said "Yikes" because you did see that the Accent has drawn even to the ECHO. IMO driving 20k miles a year on the highway is easier on a car than driving 10k miles in stop-and-go city traffic, with lots of short trips. Which is what I do much of the time.
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Replying to: backy (Oct 04, 2006 5:41 am) "There is plenty of data to draw conclusions about the reliability of Hyundais improving over the past few years" Pretty clear you wanted to make it seem like I had said Hyundai hadn't improved... but whatever... I did look at that CR. Do you understand how it works? Consumer Reports publishes all of the data they have available at the time they go to press. I would HOPE that a car with less than two years of data would be reporting all red... Do you know when MOST cars start having trouble? I'll give you a hint before you bring up the IQS... it isn't less than 3 years, and it certainly isn't less than 90 days lol... My "yikes" was in reference to the significant fall-off nearly EVERY Hyundai has (from red circles to black), once a little long term data is collected. And we aren't talking 1994 here, try looking back 3-5 years or so... "yikes". For both Hyundai and the Accent. But not to worry, they're getting better... almost as good as Toyota... do you promise?  Excuse me if I, like the rest of the majority of car buyers, want to see it evidenced first, before we go out and spend so much as a penny on a company that less than 10 years ago, was the laughing stock of the industry. I have NEVER stated the Accent wasn't a nice car, just that the Yaris has much better predicted reliability going for it, in addition to residual (resale value), and gas-mileage. It may be all new, but it uses an awful lot of technology that has been proven darn near bulletproof by Consumer Reports and others. The same cannot be said for the Hyundai Accent. You are o.k. with that risk based upon your individual past experiences. That's fine. I hope it works out for you. Historically, even as recent as the last 5 years, you'd have far less to "risk" if you went with a Yaris. T
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Replying to: tjw1308 (Oct 04, 2006 8:11 am) http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060805/news_1b5recalls.html Trend for Hyundai: up, per CR, JD Power, etc. Trend for Toyota: troubled, per the admission of their own executives. Resale value - as a percentage of MSRP, yes. Per my example earlier, I have doubts that it is an advantage in the real world in which Accents sell for considerably less up front than does the Yaris. Gas mileage - no one is disputing that the Yaris has the advantage there. It may be all new, but it uses an awful lot of technology that has been proven darn near bulletproof by Consumer Reports and others. The same cannot be said for the Hyundai Accent. Maybe you need to learn more about the Accent, because that statement is untrue. The new Accent uses a proven engine design. Like on the Yaris, the body is all-new. But it was created using proven computerized assembly techniques that Hyundai has perfected over the past several years--using their own robots. Both cars have a minimum of fancy features, so there is not much to break. Do you know when MOST cars start having trouble? Actually, with Toyotas it seems many of them are having trouble pretty early--e.g. the transmission problems on the 2007 Camry. Maybe it has to do with the fact (see article above) that 68% of their recalls are due to design problems. If there's a design problem, it should show up pretty early. If the Accent were not a reliable car, why would Consumer Reports include the Accent (the prior generation) in its list of recommended used cars, just as it did the ECHO? Based on available data, I think you are over-exaggerating the risk associated with buying an Accent vs. a Yaris.
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Replying to: backy (Oct 04, 2006 8:49 am) Please show me where I described it as anything but more risk? Which even you admit... I guess you over-exaggerate too then lol... Even your own estimate of resale cuts in the direction of the YARIS for most people. If you drive less than 10k per year, it's STILL within a few dollars (less than a hundred), on a comparably equipped car. But we've already decided that for you (cash buyer, drives far less than average, plans on keeping it forever) the Hyundai is probably a pretty good deal. What about the AVERAGE driver that may be perusing these forums though? You know, the one who finances, drives 15k a year, and trades every few years? The Yaris will cost him/her less, comparably equipped (even by your own scenario). I also never said the Accent was a bad car (even the old one), just inferior when compared to the ECHO over time. There are FAR worse choices. I have never disputed that. "with Toyotas it seems many of them are having trouble pretty early" Really? I guess by "many" you really mean "few", unless you are trying to say Hyundai has MORE than many, seeing as how it finishes behind Toyota in the problems per 100 category in your oft quoted JD Power. More than many? Yikes... T
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Replying to: tjw1308 (Oct 04, 2006 9:01 am) OK, how about this from a few minutes ago: Historically, even as recent as the last 5 years, you'd have far less to "risk" [emphasis mine] if you went with a Yaris. Not sure what buying with cash has to do with this. Since the Accent costs less up front than the Yaris, why should taking out a loan be a problem with the Accent, given the Accent's real-world advantage in dollar depreciation over 5 years? Also, "keeping it forever" is an exaggeration I think. After five years, you would likely lose more money on depreciation on a Yaris than an Accent. Unless five years is "forever" for you? According to the U.S. Government, the average miles driven per car in 2001 (most recent numbers I could find) was 12,041--up just a few hundred miles since 1994. So is 10,000 miles "far less than average"? I wouldn't say that. So wouldn't someone who buys a car with a loan, drives 12,000 miles a year, and owns the car for at least five years (the length of many loans these days) be pretty "average"? And please explain to me why a Yaris would cost this kind of person less? We've already established the Accent is likely to have an advantage in lower depreciation expenses. The Accent will be under full warranty for all five years and 60,000 miles that this "average" driver will own the car. The finance charges on the Accent will be lower, due to lower up front price. The lower gas costs for the Yaris may offset some, maybe all of these higher costs. But I don't see how you can infer from this that the costs of owning the Yaris will be lower. As for the "many" Toyotas having problems, look back at the article I posted earlier. And I think you need to check back with JD Power, because it was Toyota that finished behind Hyundai in their latest report (at least the one I quoted earlier).
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Replying to: backy (Oct 04, 2006 9:27 am) http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/06/07/jdpower_iqs/ If you want to make this a discussion about which manufacturer has more awards (even recent ones), let's go...  But I have a hunch you already know how it'll end up. And didn't you say not too long ago that you drove LESS than 10k per year? I think that's only fair to describe as far less than average, even if you believe the average to be 12k today, that's a full 17% or more (less) (depending on many miles less than 10k you drive). I also thought we settled long ago, that on comparably equipped cars, using TMV, that once you factor in AVERAGE gas use, the Yaris is in fact less expensive... Now you want to throw in finance charges? Ok, let's look at the difference in finance charges, on a difference of $1000, over 5 years, on an avearage APR (let's say 10%). Is it more or less than $300??? And you say 5 years is the average length of the LOAN, but do you know how many are actually paid to term? I do. It's less than 50%. That means, the MAJORITY of car loans never have every payment made... hmmm... falls in line with the point people don't, on average, keep cars very long compared to you... now doesn't it? IF you calculate in purchase price, depreciation, finance charges, and gas-mileage (no matter how much of a window you look at) the Yaris either beats, or is within a hundred dollars or so, of the Accent. The Yaris is, for most people, a better buy $$$-wise than the Accent. T PS: With regards to my "risk" quote... I don't think that's even the slightest exaggeration, especially when you look at the reliability history of the ECHO compared to the Accent. The Accent may not be "unreliable", but it is indeed, far less reliable than the ECHO. Sorry
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Replying to: tjw1308 (Oct 04, 2006 9:56 am) In your point, Comparing Hyundai to Lexus, well, that should be a complement for Hyundai 
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