Edmunds.com | Inside Line | Auto Observer Your Account | Help | Directory
You are here:
![[F]](http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/townhall/webxicons/site.gif){kind=small}
Forums
Hatchbacks Toyota Yaris 2007 Hyundai Accent v 2007 Toyota Yaris Lift
443 messages, Last post on Aug 10, 2009 at 8:51 AM
You are in the Toyota Yaris Forum. Your Host is pf_flyer
|
Replying to: backy (Oct 01, 2006 2:30 pm) PREDICTED reliability is based upon manufacturer's history with cars in this segment. If you compare the most recent models (the Accent and the ECHO), the ECHO has a decisive reliability advantage, so saying "predicted" reliability isn't that much of a stretch at all now is it? And FYI, the "old" generation cars are how companies like ALG come up with things like residuals on "new" models too, so using the "old" cars as guides isn't so crazy. And while we're on the subject of predicting things, lets look at an old generation Accent compared to an ECHO (the old generation Yaris) in terms of resale value. Go out to www.autotrader.com . You don't even need to do anything but subtraction to see how much more a 5 year old ECHO is worth compared to a 5 year old Accent... Even if we go with your example, the less than $500 difference will be made up almost in gas alone (even at 10k per, over five years... and even going so far as to figure it stays at an average over the next 5 years of $3.00 per gallon). So is an Accent really less expensive to own??? Doesn't look like it. The Yaris hatch has SEVEN drink holders btw... Overkill or not, I use one for a change cup, and one for my Cell phone cradle (the cup holder style) even when I have no drinks at all to carry. It's quite convenient. So much so, I'm thinking of making that feature a "blocker"  . T PS: In terms of power to weight ratio, the "best" in class horsepower Accent offers an advantage of .0002 hp per lb (106/2293 vs. 110/2366). Feel the burn! 
|
|
|
Replying to: tjw1308 (Oct 01, 2006 3:20 pm) The problem with using the reliability of old designs as a predictor of reliability of new designs is that is doesn't take into account the quality improvements--or slides in quality for that matter--in the new designs. Hyundai is trending up. Toyota has been strong for many years in reliability, but recently their executives and the press have voiced concerns over an increasing number of quality problems in Toyota's new models. Will the Accent continue Hyundai's upward trend in reliability? Will the Yaris continue Toyota's tradition for reliability? I think it's too early to say for sure. If I had to go only on the reliability of the old models, the Accent's record per CR and other sources is acceptable to me. I know that may not be the case with everyone. You are correct that the $500 difference in my example would be made up in gas savings, assuming 10k miles a year or more over five years and $3.00 a gallon gas. If someone drives less than that, as I do, the amount is not made up--although gas prices could go above $3.00. But I have to consider that over those five years, I would be driving a car in the Accent SE that has a lot more of what I look for in a car. It would be worth it to me to pay more than for the Yaris. I realize many will disagree with me on that. For example, if having seven cup holders is a "blocker" requirement for you, then that drops the Accent hatch out of any consideration whatsoever.
|
|
|
Replying to: backy (Oct 01, 2006 3:52 pm) T |
|
|
|
|
Replying to: vermonter16 (Apr 25, 2006 2:27 am)
|
|
|
Replying to: ulthipster (Oct 03, 2006 11:30 am) Once bitten, twice shy  The Yaris OTOH, is the follow-up to a car that CR gave almost ENTIRELY full red (the best) circles accross the board. And I swear, if someone brings up the Toyopet... lol... Anyone find me a COLOR photo of one yet? Or know any of the 3 people who owned one and are still alive??? j/k T
|
|
|
Replying to: tjw1308 (Oct 03, 2006 11:35 am)
|
|
|
|
|
Replying to: backy (Oct 01, 2006 9:29 am)
|
|
|
Replying to: lucynethel (Oct 03, 2006 3:47 pm) |
|
|
Replying to: backy (Oct 03, 2006 2:48 pm) And if your problems were in fact in line with the majority of owners, I wouldn't blame you one bit if you didn't. But we aren't talking about isolated cases here... we are talking about broad spectrums of ownership. Of which, overwhelmingly, have indicated Toyota to be a superior brand with regards to reliability. If things are indeed changing, there isn't enough data to draw any real conclusions to that effect... YET. There may be, in a while, but for now I doubt anyone but a Hyundai owner would care to take up the argument that a Hyundai is as reliable as a Toyota. Historically it isn't true, perception-wise it isn't true, and until data conclusively proves so IN THE FUTURE, there isn't much to say for the present either. By all accounts, the Yaris is PREDICTED to be a more reliable car. I think history more than supports that opinion... T
|
|
|
Replying to: tjw1308 (Oct 03, 2006 5:47 pm) Odd... you didn't say that a few posts back when someone mentioned a friend had trouble with a Hyundai years ago. As for a Hyundai is as reliable as a Toyota: that has been my experience in owning three Toyotas and two Hyundais. Actually, considering my first Toyota, my Hyundais have been more reliable than Toyota overall. Don't you think people consider their personal experiences with a brand in deciding whether to buy that brand again? I think it's a pretty major consideration. If things are indeed changing, there isn't enough data to draw any real conclusions to that effect... YET. There is plenty of data to draw conclusions about the reliability of Hyundais improving over the past few years. All you need to do is check out the past few years' of CR's reliability surveys, or JD Power's annual reports on reliability to see the upward trend. Go take a look at the 2006 CR Annual Auto Issue. Hyundais used to be a joke because of their reliability. Take a look at how many brands have overall predicted reliability records better than Hyundai in that CR issue. Not too many. Yes, Toyota is one of them. (Although the Yaris is too new to have a reliability record, at least according to the accounts of CR.) That point is not in dispute, although you keep bringing it up as if it were. If someone wants superior--not just acceptable, but superior--predicted reliability in a car above everything else, the Yaris (or maybe the Fit) is the logical choice. If other considerations are as important or more important, then it's not a slam-dunk for the Yaris.
|
|
You are here:
Forums
Hatchbacks Toyota Yaris 2007 Hyundai Accent v 2007 Toyota Yaris Lift
New? Join Now!
Forum Tools
Search Forums
Browse by Vehicle
2010 Toyota Yaris
2010 Hyundai Accent
Browse by Board
Browse by Topic
Today's Chats
