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Re: 2nd Row seat modification for lying flat??? [rockman59]
by pwjj
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Feb 25, 2007 (7:40 am)
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Replying to: rockman59 (Feb 24, 2007 6:32 pm)
Yeah, I understand them going after the larger market segment but even the Ford dealers I spoke to while looking at the Expedition couldn't believe that Chevy's didn't fold flat and just gave away that portion of the market - one that they had for years with a loyal following. One Ford dealer even told me I must be mistaken Chevy couldn't be so short sighted. But you can bet all the Ford guys are making it a selling point in their sales presentation even for the occasional user. But there must still be a lot of people like me who require the flat floor so hopefully someome has heard of an aftermarket or modification that can accomplish it? It would be worth a fair amount of money (at least to me)to be able to get it done.
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Re: 2nd Row seat modification for lying flat??? [pwjj]
by greggboston
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Feb 27, 2007 (6:13 pm)
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Replying to: pwjj (Feb 24, 2007 2:31 pm)
Hello,
I have a 2007 Suburban and have no problem getting a 4x8 sheet of plywood in the back. You need to have the 2nd and 3rd rows folded flat and it goes in nicely and the plywood sits flat (a couple of feet before the tailgate are up in the air). Yea the Expy has the "fold flat" seats with a power fold option but you can remove the 3rd row completely in the Burb, tumble the 2nd row forward and have a pretty decent cargo capacity. You can also get a cargo mat that covers from the tailgate to the 2nd row (with 3rd row removed), protecting that GM carpet from Fido...
Regards,
-- Gregg
Boston, Mass
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Re: 2nd Row seat modification for lying flat??? [greggboston]
by ceemme
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Mar 14, 2007 (12:18 pm)
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Replying to: greggboston (Feb 27, 2007 7:13 pm)
Gregg,
I have a 60/40 3 person bench seat on the second row and a 50/50 2 person bench seat in the rear. I can remove the third row seat but can only tumble the second row forward. (The second row is not removable). So, how do you "fold them flat" when, at least according to GM, they don't
Carl
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Re: 2nd Row seat modification for lying flat??? [ceemme]
by greggboston
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Mar 14, 2007 (5:20 pm)
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Replying to: ceemme (Mar 14, 2007 1:18 pm)
Hi Carl,
Fold the 3rd row flat (do not tumble forward) and also fold the 2nd row flat (do not tumble forward). The folded flat 2nd and 3rd rows are at the same level (at least they are on the Suburban) and a 4x8 sheet of plywood fits nicely. If you tumble the 2nd row forward you cannot fit an 8 foot item behind the seats and close the rear hatch.
Regards,
-- Gregg
Boston, MA
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Re: 2nd Row seat modification for lying flat??? [ceemme]
by jerrywimer
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Mar 15, 2007 (3:44 am)
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Replying to: ceemme (Mar 14, 2007 1:18 pm)
What greggboston is saying is that the seatbacks form a flat (level) surface on which you can slide a sheet of 4x8 material. The surface isn't level with the floor, but this doesn't keep plywood from sitting just fine. Some materials might not be so accommodating (drywall sheets might crumble if not supported along the entire length, for instance). But for most things this works fine.
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Re: 2nd Row seat modification for lying flat??? [jerrywimer]
by pwjj
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Mar 15, 2007 (4:29 am)
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Replying to: jerrywimer (Mar 15, 2007 4:44 am)
This is true, but not nearly as good as the old fold down flat seats. And it doesn't resolve the problem as per my original post in starting this thread, in that for my dogs (who go everywhere with me) the floor is not level when the seats are tumbled forward making footing more difficult, not to mention my cargo liners won't work. And you would have to strap up the tumbled seat so they won't fall back down on the pups. Yes there are a lot of half compromises that can be done, but it would all be a moot point if they had the brains that Ford had when designing it. I went back to the dealer again to see what I could figure out and I may go so far as to install a previous generation 2nd seat. Will require some welding but if I want the Suburban..... I have been told by Chevy that the warrantee on any of the rear seat assembly would be void but the rest of the truck would be covered. Not sure I trust them though. May have to go Ford or find a real low mileage 06.
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Re: 2nd Row seat modification for lying flat??? [pwjj]
by jerrywimer
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Mar 15, 2007 (8:30 am)
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Replying to: pwjj (Mar 15, 2007 5:29 am)
Different strokes for different folks (and needs). Good luck with whatever you eventually decide to do though.
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Re: 2nd Row seat modification for lying flat??? [pwjj]
by solo
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Mar 16, 2007 (4:58 am)
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Replying to: pwjj (Mar 15, 2007 5:29 am)
I don't think you (we) are asking too much! Whether its animals or BOXES, design a user friendly vehicle. Our American engineers are not capable. Sometimes I think they (big three) purposely come out with poor designs in order to hasten their course to bankruptcy to get government (tax payer) bailouts. I don't think your welding is far fetched. If I buy an 08 Tahoe I would torch a hole in the bed and weld in a storage compartment!
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