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Replying to: bikedorian (Jul 21, 2007 6:39 am) I've noticed that, whenever David comes in here and talks about the cargo space, this thread turns into Honda Fit vs. David's Versa. The Versa does not come with David's riser. David's Versa comes with David's riser. As such, am I the only one here who feels that the comparison is not particularly useful? |
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How dare I come in here with a simple, extremely low cost and easy as it can get solution to putting a flat floor in the Versa. Shame on me. What am I thinking?  Nissan has an optional riser if that make ya feel better. Mine's just much less expensive and a heck of lot more portable. Maybe you should contact a moderator and express your concerns. I find it humorous. David
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Replying to: bikedorian (Jul 21, 2007 10:31 am) Anything is possible if you make a modification. The bottom line is no one can buy a Versa with David's riser in it. As much as I admire your ingenuity, just because this solution works for you, David, it does not necessarily mean this solution is helpful for others who may lack your creativity, skill and/or time. I am merely proposing that perhaps a more useful approach is to compare an unmodified Fit with an unmodified Versa to everyone's benefit. Just an idea. I am sure you and I disagree there. Nissan has an optional riser for the JDM Tiida. I had one. It forces you to lose a LOT of height when you put it in. And you cannot put it away easily, either. And even with the luggage underboard in place, the cargo area still didn't become completely flat. It was expensive - cost me 25,000 yen plus 5% tax. Not a good solution. |
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Replying to: ttexastommy (Jul 20, 2007 7:26 pm) I would have done exactly what you have done. A good move. As good a car as Fit may be, I'd rather much keep 4 grand in my bank account. And the Versa IS a great car. You have done well. |
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"Anything is possible if you make a modification." I didn't modify the Versa in the least. The Versa remains exactly like it was. "The bottom line is no one can buy a Versa with David's riser in it." That is no one's bottom line but yours. Anyone can purchase my riser for peanuts and a few minutes of their time. If you can't deal with that, so be it. Your artificial restriction won't handicap anyone who reads this thread. If you want to put imaginary barriers up to make you feel better about your Fit, go for it. The Fit's good enough all on it's own not to need such shinanigans. David |
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Replying to: bikedorian (Jul 21, 2007 11:51 am) That's only in your head David. We are only talking about the method of comparison.
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Replying to: bikedorian (Jul 21, 2007 11:51 am)
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"if looking for cargo carrying capacity, you'd be shopping the subcompact segment anyway." I made a similar comment earlier in this thread but it's been ignored. "The Fit has better cargo area due to the way the seat folds." The Fit has a better cargo area but it's also smaller. And smaller by a decent amount. So it would depend on what being transported. That's why I've stated that if the design of the Fit is very important but the capacity of the Versa is also very important, buy a Matrix. You can have your cake and eat it too. The drawbacks of the Matrix are more money and less driver satisfaction. It's not a fun vehicle to drive. The Fit and the Versa are fun to drive. David
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Replying to: bikedorian (Jul 21, 2007 1:32 pm) |
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Replying to: jacksan1 (Jul 21, 2007 11:57 am) I love the Versa, or rather, I loved the Tiida. My wife and I have a place both in Japan and the U.S., and while we owned a Toyota Premio the last time, we also had use of a Tiida. We were so impressed with the Tiida that when the Versa was released in the U.S., we were going to buy one here. Turned out that it was impossible to find one with ABS at that time. Also, my wife, whose car the Fit in our household is, had certain cargo needs which were better served by the Fit's luggage area. So we bought a Fit. But we loved our Tiida, so we should have been able to be happy with a Versa as well. I drive a Subaru Forester, but for the third car, I am thinking about getting myself a Versa. I don't haul stuff like my wife, so the Versa would be great for me. As a matter of disclosing my background, between the mid- 1980s and 1990s, I worked for a certain Japanese automobile manufacturer whose name shall remain anonymous (otherwise I would have to stop posting here!). I noticed, David, that you believe in the numbers. That is fine, because the numbers are indeed numbers. But numbers can and do often lie. Why? Because you can manipulate the data points. When I worked for this auto manufacturer, we knew how the data points were placed both by JIS (my area) and EPA. It was very important for the marketing purposes to place the maximum measurement data points at those places where JIS and EPA would take the numbers. By doing so, in some cases, usability was sacrificed because of the shape of the interior which was demanded for this manipulation. We knew as auto insiders that there were cars whose official measurements showed lesser numbers and yet whose design was such that the passenger space/cargo area was much more usable than some other cars whose numbers were ostensibly more impressive. Numbers are numbers, but how the numbers were produced does also matter. This is why I have been rather stubbornly adamant about discussing the actual usability of the cargo area of both the Versa and the Fit in this recent exchange, rather than simply pointing out the figures and saying which one is larger or smaller. And to discuss the usability, one of the best ways is to have actually used the space at issue. And I felt that for the sake of keeping the discussion to apples to apples, comparsion of vehicles as being delivered by the factory would be a controlled way of doing so. I see that we see this point differently, and I accept that. In any case, none of what I have said above has anything to do with how I feel about the Versa or the Fit in terms of which is better. I like both cars, and for my own use, I would in fact prefer the Versa to the Fit. I have no interest whatsoever in feeling better about the Fit, which, after all, is my wife's car. I hope this background talk can do some good in our discussion. |
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