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Re: New Element EX AWD [0311vn]
by pepsicolacat
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Aug 03, 2008 (7:43 am)
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Replying to: 0311vn (Aug 01, 2008 6:18 am)
you probablly can't get 30 mpg. I have 05 element ex awd and 08 ex awd 05 best is 24 and 08 is 27 . I got 24.5 all freeway on 08 but i hit 95 mph several time. Shell gas is better than discount gas like bp, walmart. You can test this theory. Empty your tank and fill up with bp or any store gas.make sure you reset mileage reader. Drive a normal route and when your gas light comes on you have 3.9 gallons left. When you fill up right down how many gallons you used to fill up and divid it by how many miles you went. Fill up with shell gas and do the same thing. Remember to do it when your just driving your normal route for both fill ups. My 05 had 24mpg combined city/highway 30%/70%highway on shell 10.3 gallons/ 244 miles and when I drove out of town all freeway with bp gas and filled up as soon as i got of the freeway. 10.6 gallons 221 miles. bp gas was literally 99.9% all free way. I didn't even drive a whole mile from the gas station to the freeway and when i filled up i costed down. I did hit traffic for about 8 miles.
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- #82 of 117
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Re: New Element EX AWD [ccirelli]
by pepsicolacat
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Aug 03, 2008 (7:52 am)
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Replying to: ccirelli (Aug 01, 2008 8:06 am)
the 2008 honda element awdex automatic gets the same gas mileage as a fwdex auto and the auto awd gets better than a fwd stick shift. the sc gets better mileage than the ex because it's lower. I have the 05 and 08 brochure. The awd drive is lite compared to other awd systems. when you use awd it well affect the mpg. i drove 100 miles around 270 with my friend to compare mpg. He used 4.26 gallons and I used 4.4 gallons but he followed behind me so who knows for sure. The difference is to small for me to give up safety feature like awd.
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- #83 of 117
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Does the Element have a compartment that can be locked...
by 0311vn
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Aug 03, 2008 (8:50 am)
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Replying to: ccirelli (Aug 01, 2008 8:06 am)
...to store valuables such as cameras and a hand gun? Is there such a compartment built into the floor that can be secured?
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- #84 of 117
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Re: New Element EX AWD [pepsicolacat]
by ccirelli
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Aug 03, 2008 (2:04 pm)
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Replying to: pepsicolacat (Aug 03, 2008 7:52 am)
the 2008 honda element awdex automatic gets the same gas mileage as a fwdex auto and the auto awd gets better than a fwd stick shift.
Well technically, the 08 awdex is 1 mpg less efficient than the fwdex, on both the highway and city side.
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- #85 of 117
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Re: Does the Element have a compartment that can be locked... [0311vn]
by ccirelli
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Aug 03, 2008 (2:10 pm)
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Replying to: 0311vn (Aug 03, 2008 8:50 am)
...to store valuables such as cameras and a hand gun? Is there such a compartment built into the floor that can be secured?
Well, not really. For that, I picked up the Cargo Cover, so people can't peer into the area behind the back seats. But it's not really a "locking compartment", like say, the trunk on a Civic.
If someone wants to get into your car, they will. But if you hide your stuff well and don't leave any clues as to what might be inside... you should be relatively safe. By clues I mean - no stickers advertising stuff you like - Nikon, Apple, stuff like that.
Guns...? Not sure. But most thieves won't break into a car if they don't see anything of value right out in the open (wallet, camera, watch, computer bag, etc.).
So the Cargo Cover should help with that. Out of sight - out of mind! 
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Re: New Element EX AWD [ccirelli]
by ccirelli
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Aug 03, 2008 (2:12 pm)
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Replying to: ccirelli (Aug 03, 2008 2:04 pm)
Oh another thought - leave the spare tire at home (if you're feeling brave) and use all that space under the floor to store valuables, if you don't have the Cargo Cover. Probably a safe bet if you only do it once in a while.
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Re: New Element EX AWD [steve_]
by ccirelli
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Aug 03, 2008 (2:20 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 24, 2008 9:52 pm)
SECOND MILEAGE REPORT
OK, for my 2nd tank, I used my baseline of filling the tank between $.50 and $.75 over the "click" of the gas pump handle.
Driving conditions:
- maybe 5% highway
- 95% back roads, 40 to 50 mph, pulled lots of hills
- used Sunoco fuel 87 octane
MPG: 26.80
An increase of 1 mpg, even more back road driving this time. Still driving slow & steady, taking it easy going up those hills. Essentially I am doing the speed limit, maybe 5 to 10 mph more here & there. Nice & light on that gas pedal.
For my third tank I am curious to see what I get - I filled up with Sheetz fuel. I don't expect the same as Sunoco, but we'll see. And, I will be doing some more highway driving over the next few weeks. I will keep tabs on the general percentage of highway vs. back roads.
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Re: New Element EX AWD [ccirelli]
by steve_ HOST
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Aug 03, 2008 (3:16 pm)
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Replying to: ccirelli (Aug 03, 2008 2:20 pm)
I had several tanks in the first 3,000 miles or so on my last new car that were 10 or more mpg lower than what appeared to be the norm. No real rhyme or reason to it either. Some people seem to dial in their mpg right off the bat, but mine didn't really settle down for months.
(so don't get too upset if the Sheetz tank is way off what the Sunoco gave you ...)
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Re: New Element EX AWD [ccirelli]
by coldcranker
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Aug 03, 2008 (5:23 pm)
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Replying to: ccirelli (Aug 03, 2008 2:20 pm)
The only possible difference in fuel economy between different types of fuels would be in the percentage of ethanol mixed into the gasoline. In other words, the energy density (amount of usable chemical energy per gallon) goes down the more ethanol is mixed into gasoline hydrocarbons. You automatically increase fuel consumption by around 2% for every 10% ethanol in there. For example, if you are running E85, you will get 8.5x2=17% higher fuel consumption. More common is E10, which is simply 10% ethanol, which is what I burn, so I routinely give up 2% fuel efficiency vs. pure gasoline hydrocarbons. The only exception is when you might run lower-octane gas in a car made for premium fuel, and the engine has a knock sensor, and the MPG drops when the lower octane fuel is used as timing gets retarded a bit. However, the Element does not have a knock sensor, so none of that octane variation really applies here.
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- #90 of 117
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28 mpg is tops
by dslightam
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Aug 05, 2008 (9:04 am)
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I've driven my stock (except for new tires) 05 AWD EX M/T for 3 years now in various conditions and driving mixtures. I'm convinced that approximately 28 mpg is the best I can do. I just got that mpg again on a trip with about an 30/70 mix of city and hwy, AC and no-AC, uphill and downhil. The gas light comes on after about 330 miles or 12 gallons (3.9 remaining). In other cases, "good" mileage on my E is about 24.5. Average "bad" mileage is about 22. 20 mpg is about the worst I ever do, but that's fairly rare.
The beefier new Toyo tires did seem to lower the mpg it for a while. Now it seems to be back to where it was before I replaced the stock good-years. I do agree that choice of gas does seem to cause some variance.
I am curious about the gas saving plates from earlier, but that sounds sketchy to me. There is a lot of chatter on this list lately. I'm cuious, are folks buying Es right now downsizing from larger SUVs and trucks?
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