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#167 of 177
My Allroad story by Dondanger
Oct 14, 2009 (12:24 am)
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So (in brief) I decided that I love the allroad (I don't want an A6 (had one) they sit to low and are boring, the allroad has a great engine and gearbox, more ruggedly built, slight shorter in length and look cooler) and have done around 65K miles. Here is what happened...
 
- over a period of a few months on returning to the it would settle on one side or on one corner, then pump itself up and be OK.
- then, following sharp braking, after returning home the back drivers side suspension bag just wouldn't pump up and looked like it was sitting almost on the rim.
- at this point I took it to Audi, they said that the computer had failed and that I needed to replace that first (£600+) then they would see if a bag needed replacing. I said its clearly a bag and not the computer, the diagnostic would say that computer was showing an error because the bag had failed. They said that although I was probably right, they have to work by process of elimination (something that consistently pisses me off about Audi and causes far more expense than is needed). I decided (after some research) that as this point if I wanted to keep my allroad I would either be facing replacement of all four corners, the compressor and most likely the computer as well or go for the Arrnott coil spring replacement set.
- I choose the replacement set as I never need a suspension level higher than 2 (other than for mucking around and having fun) so removing that function wasn't going to be a problem.
- they finally arrived, I had to pay to get them fitted. Immediately I realised that they were too spongy - especially at the back and I had the problem previously mentioned where there would be a loud knock when you went over even a small pothole or bump, the car would bounce at high speeds too.
- So (gutted) I complained to Arrnott and they sent me a new set of more beefed up back units. I again had to pay to get them swopped out. They are much, much better - still a little soft compared with the air springs. I've had them on the car for 2 months now and they feel like they are starting to go a little - they also seem to have developed a knock of their own, but this happens only once unusually the first time you drive it and go around a corner or a hit a bump, then its OK.
- So, to summarise, I thought I was being smart switching to the coil/spring and saving me money (and worry) in the long term, and if the Arrnott conversion kit had been what it says it is, it would have been a smart move. Now I regret it because I have no faith in the units that they have supplied and am just waiting for them to give up or deteriorate - hopefully not when I'm doing 140mph on the motorway though! The feedback on the replacement air springs is that they are good, so if I could do it again I would use these instead and keep the car more original. Also, every now and again when I see an allroad they are always on level 3 and look awesome!
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Re: 2001 Allroad Suspension [kc77] by Dondanger
Oct 14, 2009 (12:27 am)
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Replying to: kc77 (Oct 13, 2009 4:44 pm)

You need to find which spring - left or right - is the culprit and then swop it out ASAP so that the compressor doesn't get over heated - as that is even more money. There are some previous posts on how to test which one is at fault. Good luck!
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It sounds a bit loose / rattly over bumps. by lxtwin
Oct 16, 2009 (12:44 pm)
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Hi there
 
I have a 2005 Allroad with 28,000 miles on it, so not a lot really. I have noticed over the past 3 months when I go over the normal pot holes the left side sounds loose / rattly, I think it is worse on level 3 and not as noticeable at 1, but it might be me. It is fine on smooth or lightly rough roads.
 
The Air suspension stays at the level I leave it at and does not appear to leak or I do not have any warning lights that are coming on.
 
Has anyone else had a problem like this.
 
Thanks for any help.
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Re: It sounds a bit loose / rattly over bumps. [lxtwin] by angus5
Oct 17, 2009 (12:23 pm)
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Replying to: lxtwin (Oct 16, 2009 12:44 pm)

Its probably just a worn bush on the nearside suspension assembly or anti roll bar caused by driving too fast over potholes or speed humps. Any competent mechanic with a bar will confirm.
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It sounds a bit loose / rattly over bumps. - will get it checked. by lxtwin
Oct 17, 2009 (12:38 pm)
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Thanks mate,
 
I will get it checked out, It was in for its MOT a month ago at an Audi garage and I asked them to check it but they said it was OK.
 
However I do not have a lot of confidence in them as the brakes passed and they missed that it needed new pads and disks.
#172 of 177
suspension swap 2001 allroad by blockisland98
Oct 22, 2009 (12:08 pm)
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I have a popped suspension in my allroad,, all 4 corners. I was wondering if I could swap a regular a6 suspension into it, to prevent that from happening again. I was told by my Audi dealer that I could not,, and was told by an ex-Audi mechanic I could. I tried to research it on the internet but have found nothing so far.
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Steering link broken two days after the purchase of a used 2002 Allroad by polyglot
Nov 23, 2009 (4:35 am)
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Two days ago I bought I an used 2002 Audi Allroad which was in good condition (one owner, 90k miles) from a car repair shop. Cash was handed over in return for the title, no sale document exists apart from the Statement of Transaction form, used to register at the DMV in NY. The car was well maintained and there were no issues experienced during the test drive.
 
Only after the purchase I found that the steering was sometimes odd (difficult) during hard turns. Since I remember that the last repair was done in the car repair shop where they replaced the air supension on both front wheels, I intend to drive back on Monday when they reopen to check it out.
 
This morning when I backed out of my drive way (paved, flat), there was an audible crack followed by metallic scraping sound so I immediately stopped and found out that the steering link, a part of the suspension is mechanically broken off, something totally unexpected out of a quality car that both past inspection and have been serviced in an Audi dealership just last month!
 
Any of you had this problem before? And what was the main cause?
 
Any thought or advice how to confront the repair shop who sold me this used car? As mentioned, an important factor is that they worked on the suspension just a week ago before selling the car to me. And I assume this is done after the state inspection.
 
So I need to sort out two questions:
 
1. the origin of the rupture of the steering link:
My plan is is show the picture that I took to someone who knows about the problems of the drive train and suspension, for example a local Mavis Tires and ask them how and under which circumstance such a rupture can happen.
On top of that, I could ask the opinion of the head mechanic of an official Audio dealer.
 
2. Fault responsibility (my main question):
Barring the aspect of the potential and severe injury (I would have been paralyzed in a car accident with the current condition of my spine), who bears the cost of the car repair in this case?
 
Thanks in advance!
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Re: Steering link broken two days after the purchase of a used 2002 Allroad [polyglot] by manster
Nov 23, 2009 (7:52 am)
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Replying to: polyglot (Nov 23, 2009 4:35 am)

I'd have the car inspected by an Audi mechanic and then promptly consult with an attorney and the state attorney general.
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Re: Steering link broken two days after the purchase of a used 2002 Allroad [manster] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Nov 23, 2009 (8:23 am)
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Replying to: manster (Nov 23, 2009 7:52 am)

It sounds like the shop might be culpable. They should eat this repair. If they refuse, you can have it fixed at an Audi dealership, get the bill, and sue the shop in Small Claims court. You'll probably win given the circumstances. I think an attorney might be too expensive given the probable cost of repairs---unless you want them to take the car back, then an attorney might be necessary. Consulting with the consumer fraud unit of your DA's office is also an excellent suggestion, just made to you previously by manster.
 
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Re: Steering link broken two days after the purchase of a used 2002 Allroad [Mr_Shiftright] by polyglot
Nov 23, 2009 (8:15 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Nov 23, 2009 8:23 am)

Thanks guys for your valuable responses. Today I first contacted two Audi dealerships and spoke with their mechanic, both of them stated that the defective upper service arm is very probably caused by the improper handling during the replacement of the air suspension: a torch was apparently used to loosen the bolts, that deformed/compromised the aluminium arm. Though they would not put it on paper without seeing it, I am confident that I will have it fixed without paying out of my pocket and I intend to have the car inspected by an Audi dealer after the repair. My wife is worried about the safety after the repair and urged me to think about cancelling the sale, which legal arguments should I use in this case?

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