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Toyota Matrix, Transmission, Wagon
#29 of 573 Re:03 Matrix automatic transmission [visionstar]
Jun 20, 2007 (4:36 pm)
From what I have read and from (painful) personal experience
Here are the common transmission problems with the Matrix
2003-2006 XRS 6-speed manual clutch failures at around 50,000km
2003 5-speed manual - bearing failure at around 105,000km
Like I posted earlier, My 2003 XR 5-speed failed at 108k km (about 68k miles)
The output shaft bearing blew up killing some other parts in the tranny costing $2400 to fix.
Summary of reported bearing failures right after the warranty ran out:
1) mjustice - 2003 tranmission replaced at 62K miles
2) crimson_steve - Exact same failure as mine at the exact same mileage (>1k km apart)
3) jim19a - Not sure if 2003, but failed within 5k miles of mine, also bearings
4) tuxristo - Mine, 2003 XR bearings failed at 68K miles
5) ron99 - Not sure if bearings were the problem, but 2003 and failed within 5k miles of mine
6) frustrated13 - 102,000 kms on a 2003 matrix 5sp and the tranny bearing exploded taking out the works. I.E. exactly the same failure as mine.
7) pattih - Also bad bearings, but from the sounds of it it failed at 108k miles not km?
She also had it checked just before warranty expired like I did. If the bearing was making a subtle whine like it was on mine, then why did the mechanic not notice it!? I noticed the whine after letting go of the clutch pedal and slowing down "with the gears", but thought it was coming from the engine or something
8) madatmatrix - 2003 transmission trashed at 85K (miles or km? - guessing miles)
9) canonlaw - Exact same symptoms as mine, at roughly the same mileage.
You can't help but wonder how many more people are out there that don't use this forum!
Will this happen to us again at another 60K miles?
Since the new bearings are presumably not bad, it might not happen again at another 60K miles, but as pattih noted, the transmission design was changed for 2004, so maybe the transmission was flawed in the 2003 and it WILL keep happening! i.e. maybe there is some design flaw in the tranny that is CAUSING the bearings to fail. Then again, maybe it was a bad batch of bearings. Toyota really needs to stand up and own up to this problem and at the very least give us all some answers!
- Will we be compensated for this design flaw/batch of defective parts?
- How will this affect Toyota's Reliability reputation?
- What can Toyota do to make sure we don't go around telling everyone to avoid Toyota based on our experience?
It is interesting to see that people are starting to ask about 6-speeds, automatics and even the Corolla in this thread. To me these questions show that the 2003 Matrix 5-speed manual transmission problem is already starting to cast a shadow on Toyota's reliability reputation, and I think it would be in Toyota Motor Corporation's best interests to reassure people that the problem is isolated to a certain batch of 2003 Matrix 5-speeds, if in fact that is the case!
#30 of 573 Re:03 Matrix automatic transmission [tuxristo]
Jun 20, 2007 (6:45 pm)
Hey tuxristo, could we swap email addresses? I don't know what will happen down the road with all of this, but it would be nice to have someone to contact if need be.
I don't like posting my email address, so can you contact me through my website? Just fill out the contact form. Thanks.
#31 of 573 my 2003 5 speed transmission just failed
Jun 26, 2007 (3:47 am)
I bought my 2003 matrix also in May of 2002. My transmission failed last Thurs. night at 118,000 miles. I'm in shock- I never expected this from a Toyota. It is the 3rd Toyota I have owned. I had noticed a noise and had it checked twice, but was thinking it might have been exhaust because it got worse when I stepped on the gas. Neither garage found anything. I don't know yet the extent of the damage. I had it towed to garage, and they pulled it yesterday, but hadn't torn it apart yet to see what went wrong and the extent of the damage. I called a Toyota dealer and of course they basically laughed when I told them it had 118,000 miles. I will call the customer serrvice hotline though. Clearly there is a problem with this transmission. I would be happy to join in any collective action. Toyota should stand behind this product and if they have a problem should step up and solve it.
#32 of 573 Re: 03 Matrix Transmission completely trashed @ 62K [frustrated13]
Jun 27, 2007 (6:59 pm)
COUNT ME IN!! Blown Transmission, extremely pissed off.
2003 Matrix XR 5sp. 102,600 miles. Bought May 2003. Well maintained and serviced at regularly scheduled intervals by the Toyota dealer. Not a single mechanical problem until a slight grinding sound (coming from either the clutch and/or transmission, when in gears 1-5) popped up 2000 miles after my extended warranty expired at 100K. It sounds like this was in fact the bearing. Last night the tranny blew as I was driving it to get a second opinion after the local Toyota dealer offered only an entire transaxle replacement for $3500.
I'm planning to do a dealer trade-in with them and work a deal on the price of a new Prius. I'd prefer to never buy Toyota again because of this, but it is my best option for salvaging the most value from the car.
Toyota has not lived up to its reputation, and hasn't done anything to help me. Needless to say, I to am extremely dissapointed and would love to join the fight.
#33 of 573 What's Next?
Jul 02, 2007 (6:39 am)
I found this site after Toyota told my wife they wouldn't cover anything towards the replacement of her clutch and transmission, after 76k miles. It seems there's a real problem here, and Toyota needs to acknowledge it. so what do we do next? Any attorneys out there?
#34 of 573 03 tanny failure w 100,000 mile gear oil change
Jul 02, 2007 (6:24 pm)
I also own a 2003 matrix xr, and as of today it also needs major transmission work. I replaced the gear oil 100,000 miles and it was as black as dirt. That seemed to calm the noise for a while and then it started to chirp, now it sits in the driveway and won't even go into gear. This will be the last toyota I ever buy.
#35 of 573 Transmission trashed at 104K (Matrix 2003)
Jul 04, 2007 (5:56 pm)
My '03 Matrix manual transmission went at 104k (km) .
All the tramission need to be replaced. This job cost 4300$ at a Toyota Dealer.
A failed to change transmission fluid which Toyota Canada said meant the warranty is over. They offered $2000 as a Goodwill gesture. So I still have to pay 2300$.
I look to repair by independant transmission garage and the cost for a used one is 1500$.
What do you think I should do : accept their offer (cost 2300$) or buy a used one (1500$)?
#36 of 573 Re: Transmission trashed at 104K (Matrix 2003) [kate18]
Jul 04, 2007 (6:52 pm)
Well, how many km would the used one have on it?
Judging by the posts in this forum, it's pretty likely that a 5-speed manual transmission from a 2003 Matrix, will fail at about 107,000km (+/- 5000km)
So, if the used transmission is less than 102,000 km old,
you'll put it in and it will probably fail.
As sad as it is, I'd just get it fixed, if I was you.
I would also print out all the posts in this thread and talk to a manager and get them to cover the entire cost of the repairs based on the fact that these transmissions are bad.
#37 of 573 Re: 03 Matrix Transmission completely trashed @ 62K [mjustice11]
Jul 06, 2007 (7:43 am)
The same thing just happened to my wife's 03 5 speed. 76k and the transmission and clutch blew out. So far Toyota has offered nothing, but we're starting to get our notes together. Maybe if enough of us got together and approached Toyota with one voice, they'd have to acknowledge that there is a problem.
Jul 06, 2007 (10:34 am)
I am working on a website about this. I am going to hopefully have it show up at the top of google searches and will include all the info on here, and hopefully it will get more responses from people.