Last post on Mar 07, 2013 at 5:41 PM
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Toyota Matrix, Transmission, Wagon
#547 of 556 Re: Transmission konks at 100K [gimmestdtranny]
Jan 22, 2013 (1:00 pm)
More noise but no answer to my question.
I'm looking for information, not bluster.
Often (not)changing the oil has EVERYTHING to do with failure.
You ASSume I'm trying to blame the driver.
Maybe Toyota should spec trans oil changes every 30k miles like my previous 3 Hondas did.
Many companies now claim "lifetime" trans fluid in their automatics.
Honda once claimed 105k mile valve lash adjustments in the CRV that led to failures.
Big mistakes to make the cars seem cheaper to maintain.
Do these transmissions fail if the oil is changed like in days of old?
I still have no answer to that question, your venting not withstanding.
I changed my trans oil at 21k miles after reading about the failures.
It looked "dirtier" than the oil from one of my Hondas at 30k miles.
Maybe there's some break in wear particles that need to be cleared out early on.
#548 of 556 Re: Transmission konks at 100K [circuitsmith]
Jan 22, 2013 (1:18 pm)
"I changed my trans oil at 21k miles after reading about the failures.
It looked "dirtier" than the oil from one of my Hondas at 30k miles. "
And there ya go, you answered your own question. Dirtier oil at fewer miles means more wear than its competitor. Excessive wear is due to either inferior components or poor design of the package. I too change my oil prematurely when I buy a new (or used for that matter..first thing I do is swap fluids if I buy used) but you can't deny (not if you have researched as I have..you still haven't said) that instead of an averaged neglected trans (representing the masses) lasting 200k miles, these ones are crapping at even less than 50k. What's so hard to understand? For comparisons sake a Fiesta calls for an oil change at 150000 miles. It's first change! And far be it from me to defend Ford as I am no fan.
It is not a reasonable expectation to have to change your manual tran oil only twice fewer times as you change your crankcase oil in order to get 200k out them.
Anyway, not going to debate with you further..have last word if you want.
#549 of 556 Junker. DO NOT BUY TOYOTA
Jan 22, 2013 (4:28 pm)
I changed my trans oil at 51k, still at 60k got dreaded torque converter, stuck solenoid.
Car was always hard to get out of first gear. When changed ts oil -> oil was dark black.
Called toyota, support claiming they never heard about this problem. What kind of car has transmission issues at 60k 2012? The worst junker transmission would last longer.
Oh but they gave me case number if I want to complain: 1301222774.
This company does not stand by they products.
People buying Matrix are stupid. They are not quality cars.
#550 of 556 Re: Transmission konks at 100K [circuitsmith]
Jan 25, 2013 (12:05 am)
Just thought I'd add a little to this discussion. I had two hondas that's both made it to 200,000 miles and I never changed the trans oil. I also never changed the clutch as they both lasted until I sold them. I also put 50k miles on a Subaru 5 speed in two years and no problem there either. Would it make it to 65k I don't know but no problems after 50k.
I bought my 03 matrix with 65k miles and it already had a weird sound when I bought it. The shop said it was a clutch so I negotiated $950 off the price. Upon further diagnosis it turned out to be the transmission. I had it completely rebuilt and it lasted another 65000 miles. The fluid was new when it was rebuilt. I changed it 30k miles later. Still, the exact same problem came back 30k miles later. So blaming it on the lack of trans fluid changes is BS. I did answer your question about whether fluid changes affect it. As others have stated it is a bearing lubrication failure. You can change the fluid every day and it won't make a difference. It won't help.
#551 of 556 2005 Matrix Manual Transmission
Jan 25, 2013 (5:47 pm)
I've had over a dozen vehicles with manual transmissions, but have never had a transmission problem until I bought my 2005 Matrix. Next week I will be replacing the transmission for the second time in 2 1/2 years. This is ridiculous and the LAST time I buy a Toyota.
#552 of 556 Re: AWD transmission swap [heathyvt]
Feb 05, 2013 (7:47 pm)
My advice is DON'T go for the AWD in a Toyota. I just bought a used one, only 7 years old, and the transmission failed almost immediately. It was an internal problem that no amount of inspection could have uncovered. Then the rear differential failed completely. I have had the car less than 2 months and it has cost me over $4,000 in repairs and I have been without it many days while it is in the shop or transmission place.
I don't think Toyota did the AWD thing right. I am horribly disappointed.
#553 of 556 Re: Meet Latest memeber of the Toyota matrix manual transmission failure club [hiddot84]
Feb 05, 2013 (7:56 pm)
Has there been any movement with another lawsuit against Toyota for the faulty transmissions? I just had a failed one and then the rear differential went out immediately. What I saw online was that Toyota lost a lawsuit about the RAV4 transmission. Makes me wonder if there is hope to get a class action suit going....What do you know?
#554 of 556 Re: Meet Latest memeber of the Toyota matrix manual transmission failure club [margieathom]
Feb 05, 2013 (8:09 pm)
I find your subject line curious. To my knowledge, Matrix only used an auto tran with the AWD model. Also, this is the first I have heard of a rear dif issue. I wonder if your car was the victim of a flood at some point in its life?
In any event, please clarify, if you have a manual tran Matrix and AWD, it's a very rare beast indeed.
Sorry to hear of your troubles with it though.
#555 of 556 Re: manual transmission: [xmatrixownr]
Feb 25, 2013 (1:05 am)
Surprise, Those are Toyota normal standards.
#556 of 556 04 matrix 56k miles 5 speed transmission
Mar 07, 2013 (5:41 pm)
Transmission failure at 56k after hearing noises and Toyota kept selling me stuff that didn't fix the problem now the transmission grenaded to a point where the car does not roll at all front wheels are locked. Bad design transmissions by TOYOTA.