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Toyota Avalon, Audio, Entertainment System, Navigation System, Sedan
#27 of 41 Re: Toyota Avalon Defective GPS Page 3 [thegadgetguru]
Jul 19, 2006 (8:12 am)
oh my.....I will try to keep it short here, as I have owned an 02 Avalon since fall 2001. If you have to write numerous pages about the electronics, after paying for their flagship, something should tip you off that you are in fact going down the wrong road.
I just bought a large PRINT, 2006 Atlas from AAA yesterday, cost be maybe $6. I had installed XM stereo Delphi unit with the antenna located on the backside of the roofline, hardly ever loosing the signal, and oh I forgot bought a AAA compass when I bought the vehicle and placed it on the dash in an area that did not interfere with any viewing of the dashboard.
The car is almost 6 years old with 83K on it, and amazing, not of the things above do not function. All too, on a XL, not an XLS.
I also own a BMW 04 325ci 5 speed coupe with the least amount of electronic gagetry on it possible. Just the sports suspension and the upgraded stereo. No even a sunroof to leak.
Bottom Line IMHO, is if you lease these vehicles, who cares, but if you are paying for them out of your own pocket, leaving these vehicles in a NON heated garage, and expecting all the electronics that you pay a premium for to work and then for the dealerships to figure it out, all while you don't have a loaner car, seems a bit short sighted.
Jul 21, 2006 (9:03 am)
Sometimes it works. On a trip to Phila. it didn't recognize a major thoroughfare. Going from Maine to Boston it took me off the Hwy had me make a series of turns that brought me back to the starting point. On a straight run up a Hwy, it wanted me to go east at every oportunity rather stay on the Hwy that is straight to my house. This would have added 40 miles to the trip. The manufactures's response to an email was that as an OEM it is Toyota's problem. Toyota is not doing anything about this. It's a software fix. This 2005 Limited Avalon as opposed to an Avalon Limited is my 3rd Avalon. Love the car.
#29 of 41 Re: Defective Electronics in Toyota Avalon [thegadgetguru]
Jul 23, 2006 (1:58 pm)
I own a 2006 and agree. My GPS is a joke. This thing could not find its way home if I was able to program the streets for it. Toyota tells me there is a problem but they are not working on a fix! Amazing. And I spent almost $2000 of my money for this mickey mouse GPS.
The dealership I bought it from in Houston is at Highway 290 and West road. West road was extended on the other side of the freeway from the dealership a number of years back but my GPS does not have that section of the road! It takes me to the next road west, Eldridge, and then sends me back south to intersect West when I give it directions to go home. There are other roads I have found that were built years ago that it does not have in the memory either. And they want me to buy an updated dvd each year. How about giving me the dvd that is current to the date that I bought the car?
This thing never can find the REAL shortest route or quickest route. It maps a convoluted and out of the way track whenever I choose to use it.
I use it for amusement now not guidance.
Heaven help the person that is in need and uses this to get somewhere. It will eventually get you there but you will drive a lot farther than you need to.
The transmission is also problematic. At under about 20 mph it constantly shifts up and down, does not seem to be able to find out where it should be.
The ventilated seats are also not worth it. In Houston heat I find that my legs and seat are still hot because unless I lift myself off the seat the cool air does not flow out. My back still sweats with the ventilation for the seat turned on.
The heater on the seats is another story. It works and is welcome the two times I use it in a Houston winter!
Overall, I enjoy the car but unless Toyato fixes this or gives me a credit I will not be buying a car with a GPS in it from Toyota.
Bottom line is:
I would recommend an Avalon WITHOUT the GPS system. Total waste of money.
#30 of 41 Re: Defective Electronics in Toyota Avalon [boone6]
Aug 03, 2006 (12:25 pm)
I have to say, it takes a big person to admit this and to share this with the forum. Very very nice. Buying these gizmos, without years of testing, just does not make sense. I realize they have to sell cars, new cars, or else they will go under (look at Ford and Chrysler sales this quarter) but it is still just a car. What burns me is that they don't really give you any more for your money. These new Toyotas aren't the same quality as the old ones. They aren't really made to last 200K, especially with all of these electronics, espceially if you are not fortunate to have a heated garage, etc.
Most of the vehicles I buy, now, I try to get the basic vehicle without alot of gizmos and in the end it seems there is less to break and I am happier when the car is older. Maybe because I am older but that is what I see. Toyota should put there money into the quality of the parts and product it pumps out, and looking at most of the forums, there are plenty of unhappy customers, after the initial purchase fades. In addition, if you look at CR Annual, the Avalon(including my own 02) gets a good, not very good or excellent reliability rating. One of the losest rating of the Toyota models.
Using the heater in a Houston winter seems like an oxymoron. For two times of use even in a single season, how could one substantiate it. Good to know about the "ventilated seats" It is almost as bad as Mercedes 4 zone climate control!!! In a car, or 4000 sqaure foot home??? Never one, I am interested in paying for.
#31 of 41 Re: Defective Electronics in Toyota Avalon [abfisch]
Aug 04, 2006 (12:55 am)
Most of the vehicles I buy, now, I try to get the basic vehicle without alot of gizmos and in the end it seems there is less to break and I am happier when the car is older
i would call this a sign of enlightened maturity myself. you sound like an informed consumer.
as i get older, i choose / prefer to be bothered by less technology, and i'm an engineer!
you are not alone.
#32 of 41 Defective Electronic Sales Person
Aug 07, 2006 (5:37 pm)
I think what you have experienced in sales information is the new wave. Because of the internet, techies can get their fill of information before going to the car store. When we get there, we want the lowest price possible. Where is one of the places the manufacturer will cut costs? The salesperson. Most salespeople make a minimal amount of money on a sale. Anyone with the twin abilities of learning highly technical data, AND the interpersonal relationship skills needed in sales could probably do much better than selling Toyotas. And I like Toyotas. This is not a reflection on Toyota, but, rather, my view of the rarity of those people who are both technically oriented and people oriented.
It has become too much, in my view, to expect most Toyota sales people to be up to the task. In much the same way that the shadetree mechanic has been sent the way of the dodo bird.
#33 of 41 Avalon v Lexus LS nav
Aug 19, 2006 (7:21 am)
I wonder if the two navs share the same or some of the hardware and software. It would be a severe blow to Lexus' image if their purportedly more affluent customers are disgusted with the nav for which they paid even more for!!
#34 of 41 Re: Avalon v Lexus LS nav [kennyg8]
Aug 19, 2006 (11:08 am)
The Lexus Nav Sys is very user friendly and touch screen also. I test drove an ES330 with Nav--wonderful car--just smaller than the Avy. I "assumed" the Avalon Nav was the same--duh--my REAL BAD!!
#35 of 41 Re: Toyota Avalon Defective GPS Page 1 [thegadgetguru]
Aug 26, 2006 (5:07 pm)
Now I'm glad I did not opt for the expensive GPS but you never mentioned the useless remote start, another joke of Toyota's and you are correct the email address Toyota cares is a joke. not only do they not care I honestly believe my 8 year old grandson know more about vehicles then they do. thank you for an excellent heads up on the other useless and expensive gadgets. By the way, I contacted Denso to see if the prom chip could be re-programmed, they sort of denied thet even made it although their name is on the SMART KEY ???
#36 of 41 Re: Toyota Avalon Defective GPS Page 1 [jlsexton]
Aug 26, 2006 (6:40 pm)
After reading all this about the electronics on the Avalon. I am constantly reminded of what I think is a good decision to buy a "base" '05 Limited. It came with nothing extra. I brought an after market Magellan GPS for $350 and it works fine. I've heard nothing but horror stories about the GPS and the remote start. I think too many electronics on the car creates more opportunities for things to go wrong. Nothing is worst than dealing with a dealership that sees only $$$ and tells you nothing is wrong time after time when it's a warranty issue. I had to take my car back twice for the rubber seal around the passenger side door that the service dept said was normal. After I came back to pick up the car, it was in the same condition I left it in. I had to ask the Service Mgr to go out on the lot and compare my car to the other Avalons. He changed the "crunched up" rubber seal. Otherwise, my experiences with this car has been beautiful. I can't say the same for the dealership!!! Happy Avy driving.