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What Will Be a Future Classic?

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#586 of 608 Re: Cobalt SS [oregonboy](Mr_Shiftright) [hpmctorque] [oregonboy] [xrunner2 by corvette

Feb 21, 2009 (8:54 pm)

Replying to: kyfdx (Feb 21, 2009 8:16 pm)
The CTS-V (or STS-V) would work as a daily driver, the ZR-1, well, the first time you scrape that huge carbon fiber lip, I bet it costs well over $1,000 to replace.

#587 of 608 Re: Cobalt SS [oregonboy](Mr_Shiftright) [hpmctorque] [oregonboy] [xrunner2] [texases] [kyfdx] by Mr_Shiftright HOST

Feb 22, 2009 (9:48 am)

Replying to: kyfdx (Feb 21, 2009 8:16 pm)
I wonder if they fixed the CTS-V's shifter? Hope so! Last year the reviews were whining about it incessantly. And well... DUH...on a performance sedan, one would like a good shifter.
 
How does GM let these things out the door? They MUST have fixed it. Any reviews on the new one?

#588 of 608 Hyundai Genesis Coupe by hpmctorque

Sep 06, 2009 (4:54 pm)

No, of course it'll never be a classic. Not even close. However, I could see the Genesis coupe becoming a collectible with a modest to moderate following, similar to, say, the 280 Nissan Zs and first generation ('84-'89) 300 ZXs, and Fox-platform Mustangs and similar era GM pony cars. What I'm suggesting is a level of collectability that supports a price that's significantly greater than the sedans (think '84-'89 Camry, Accord, Stanza or even Maxima) of these brands.

#589 of 608 Mazda RX-8 by hpmctorque

Sep 02, 2011 (6:28 am)

Mazda has announced that it has stopped production of this car. While the RX-8 may never qualify as a classic, I think it has all the makings of a special interest car; a unique powerplant, relatively low production, 4-doors, excellent performance and great handling qualities, pleasant and unique styling, reliability and practicality. I'll probably be in the market for one in a year or two. As a bonus, they'll be inexpensive when gas prices spike again.

#590 of 608 Re: Mazda RX-8 [hpmctorque] by michaell

Sep 02, 2011 (7:38 am)

Replying to: hpmctorque (Sep 02, 2011 6:28 am)
When I heard about this, I too thought it would be a great car to have.
 
Slightly quirky (4 door sports car? More so than a Maxima, I should think), with the unique engine.
 
My sister owned a Gen I RX-7 many years ago, and I was lucky enough to drive it on occasion. There really is nothing like a Wankel engine - if only they offered a bit more torque.
 
It will be interesting to see what happens with the prices of used RX-8's after a year or two.
 
Mazda has stated that they are committed to continue development of the rotary engine, but as of now there are no plans to bring anything to market.

#591 of 608 Re: Mazda RX-8 [hpmctorque] by fintail

Sep 02, 2011 (8:23 am)

Replying to: hpmctorque (Sep 02, 2011 6:28 am)
Interesting cars, but I look at what a pristine 25 year old RX-7 is worth today, and I am not wanting to rush out and buy the new version as any kind of collectible.

#592 of 608 Re: Mazda RX-8 [fintail] by Mr_Shiftright HOST

Sep 02, 2011 (9:10 am)

Replying to: fintail (Sep 02, 2011 8:23 am)
Exactly---what happened to RX-7 pricing will happen to RX-8 pricing in my opinion anyway.....down and down until you can't believe it could go any lower.
 
Why is this? Damned if I know. Buyers decide what is loved and unloved, and what to pay for various old cars. How do they decide these things? A mix of their opinion and media opinion I guess. We often only want something after everyone else expresses an interest.
 
And they, the buyers, seem to have voted on old Japanese cars---occasionally they are merciful to them, but usually they have no interest in them as collectibles---with those few exceptions we can all name on the fingers of one hand.
 
And even those exceptions are not big buck cars, but one (Toyota 2000GT).
 
I don't see the Genesis or RX8 as anything more than an old beat up RX-7 in 20 years....scrap iron or a toy for a teenager with no money but in love with cars.

#593 of 608 Re: . [fintail] by jessicamonroe

Sep 07, 2011 (2:58 pm)

Replying to: fintail (Jul 09, 2006 7:09 pm)
I agree 100%. Modern cars to me will just become old, not become classics.

#594 of 608 Re: Mazda RX-8 [Mr_Shiftright] by michaell

Sep 07, 2011 (7:26 pm)

Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Sep 02, 2011 9:10 am)
I don't see the Genesis or RX8 as anything more than an old beat up RX-7 in 20 years....scrap iron or a toy for a teenager with no money but in love with cars.
 
Generally, I'll agree with you, shifty, but given the low production numbers of the RX-8 over the past few years, I gotta believe that their value will eventually go up.
 
Is the last gen RX-7 (twin turbo) worth more than a run of the mill 20 year old car?
 
If nothing else, all the hooning and modding that takes place may make them more rare, if only through attrition (crashes and blown engines).
 
On a recent episode of Top Gear (UK), they talked about a website that allows you to see how many of a particular make and model (and trim line) of any car are officially registered in the UK. One example they cited was the Vauxhall Chevette (our Chevy Chevette from the 70's & 80's). Apparently, there is only 1 with an automatic in the whole of England.
 
Too bad there isn't a nationwide database here in the US that gives us the same information.
 
"Hey, I've got the only '76 AMC Pacer with the Levi package in white! Woot woot!"
 
 

#595 of 608 Re: Mazda RX-8 [michaell] by Mr_Shiftright HOST

Sep 08, 2011 (7:59 am)

Replying to: michaell (Sep 07, 2011 7:26 pm)
Yeah but the Mazda Twin Turbo is extremely rare, has more HP than an RX-8, is faster, handles better and is better looking. In short, it buries an RX-8 in every category that matters to collectors. For its day in 1993, there were few cars that could touch it, and nothing in its price class.
 
It seems to meet the basic criteria for collectiblity--it had performance, it had good looks, it was rare, and it was *dominant* in its class. These are all things that make up (although don't guarantee) collectible status. Another criterion would be prestige, which the RX-7 didn't have.
 
If your car had the 3Ps----prestige, performance and pretty---that's a long way toward collectibility. Add rarity and dominance and you'd pretty much have a lock on being a "classic" someday.
 
So the RX-7 TT, in my opinion, has 4 out of 5---hence a "collectible" and yet very affordable.
 
Try out that formula and have fun, with other cars you can think of:
 
performance
prestige
rarity
great looks
dominance in its class
 
The Genesis fails on most counts, even a 90s Corvette struggles. A Delorean flops on most. But a first generation Viper? Well, it meets at least 3 criteria.
 
So I think the more criteria the car meets, the more valuable it gets.
 
If you come up with a car that meets all 5 but is cheap to buy, then that represents, to me, an opportunity for appreciation in the future.

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