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What Will Be a Future Classic?

588 messages,  Last post on Sep 06, 2009 at 3:54 PM

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What is this discussion about? Future Vehicle, Coupe, Convertible, Sedan


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Re: Shifty: [fezo] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 25, 2009 (5:17 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Jan 25, 2009 4:19 pm)

I can say with pride that I never owned any of them, nor did I ever want to, nor do I ever want to.
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Re: Shifty: [Mr_Shiftright] by fezo
Jan 25, 2009 (5:27 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 25, 2009 5:17 pm)

I didn't own any either thank goodness.
 
The one that I drove and rather liked was the Contour which was definitely OK for what it was. Can't even say that about the rest of them.
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Re: Shifty: [fezo] by texases
Jan 25, 2009 (5:38 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Jan 25, 2009 4:19 pm)

Great list. Here's my take.
True dogs: 1983 Renault Alliance, 1974 Ford Mustang II
Dogs in retrospect: 1971 Chevrolet Vega, 1980 Chevrolet Citation
Near misses: 2002 Ford Thunderbird, 1997 Cadillac Catera, 1985 Merkur XR4Ti
Who cares?: 1997 Chevrolet Malibu, 1990 Lincoln Town Car
Decent car, sales flop: 1995 Ford Contour/Mercury Mystique
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Re: Shifty: [texases] by berri
Jan 25, 2009 (5:52 pm)
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Replying to: texases (Jan 25, 2009 5:38 pm)

Yeah, I agree. Those dogs could all be on a worst car list though. The Contour had some teething problems which really killed it I think. Typical Detroit, shove it out before its ready, over due the cost cutting, and then act dumbfounded at the consequences.
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Re: Shifty: [berri] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 25, 2009 (5:56 pm)
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Replying to: berri (Jan 25, 2009 5:52 pm)

You know the Old Rule: Loved when new, then loved when old; otherwise, forget about it.
 
I guess you could say that a Love/Hate relationship when new might also translate into some degree of collectibility.
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Re: Shifty: [Mr_Shiftright] by fezo
Jan 25, 2009 (6:31 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 25, 2009 5:56 pm)

Let's see... some of these you can figure out.....
 
Bot the Contours and the Thunderbird had a couple of fatal flaws in them. The Contour has early bugs (SURPRISE! Can you say Focus?) and the Thunderbird was pretty enough but built to drive on a highway which really wasn't supposed to be the idea.
 
The Vega and Citation both got sent out with fatal flaws. The Vega had that godawful aluminum block that let you join the head gasket of the month club, The Citation was supposed to replace the Malibu and wasn't at all ready for something like that. It had too much that was brand new to GM and just had too much of a task staying in one piece. In both cases a nice thought combined with awful execution.
 
The Malibu and Town Car were just forgettable vehicles.
 
This of course brings us back to the Alliance and the Mustang II. What on earth were these people thinking? I mean both the manufacturers and even more so the folks that said this is the car of the year!??!? Were there no other nominees in those years? Surely SOMETHING had to be out there! Didn't even have to be good - just not awful. Heck, they somehow managed to never name the Pacer as car of the year.
 
Speaking of that I actually had a friend who ahd a Pacer and replaced it when it dies with an Alliance. Needles to say he didn't ask me about buying cars...
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Re: Shifty: [berri] by corvette
Jan 25, 2009 (7:42 pm)
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Replying to: berri (Jan 25, 2009 5:52 pm)

Typical Detroit, shove it out before its ready, over due the cost cutting, and then act dumbfounded at the consequences.
 
Yep. I remember when Dodge introduced the Charger. It was highly touted that they all came standard with a 3.5 liter V6, ABS, stability control, and side airbags. Then, the next year, Dodge introduced a version with a woefully inadequate 2.7 liter V6, no ABS, no stability control, no side airbags (and goodness knows what else they deleted). This is progress? This new, fleet-friendly model still had the triple-flashing turn signals, which were probably pulled from the Mercedes parts bin.
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Re: Shifty: [fezo] by xrunner2
Jan 26, 2009 (6:42 am)
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Replying to: fezo (Jan 25, 2009 5:27 pm)

Because of Car and Driver accolades, I too test drove a Contour and did like its handling. But, that was all. The interior looked cheap and was tight. Took a pass on it and bought a new Honda.
 
Owning 2 Hondas for 11 years at time of driving Contour, my standards were higher. Other downsides to a possible Contour purchase were some negative experiences with previous Fords.
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Re: Shifty: [corvette] by boomchek
Jan 26, 2009 (10:12 am)
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Replying to: corvette (Jan 25, 2009 7:42 pm)

still had the triple-flashing turn signals, which were probably pulled from the Mercedes parts bin.
 
Many parts on the LX platform cars (Magnum, Charger, and 300) are from the Mercedes Parts bin. There's more parts shared in other cars too.
 
You're correct the turn signals, cruise control, and wiper stalks are straight out of a Benz. The EVIC (electronic vehicle info centre) on those cars and the Grand Cherokees that scrolls through fuel economy, programmable door locks, etc are also from Mercedes.
 
Not to mention a whole car was pillaged from the Mercedes Benz obsolete parts bin and rebadged a Chrysler.
 
Anyone care to remember the Crossfire? It will probably have the same "classic" status as the modern T Bird.
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Re: Shifty: [boomchek] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 26, 2009 (10:19 am)
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Replying to: boomchek (Jan 26, 2009 10:12 am)

I knew immediately that the Crossfire was doomed. WAY too expensive for a Chrysler coupe of modest power and questionable styling. You are right, they made the same *exact* errors as Ford did with the new T-Bird.

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