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What Will Be a Future Classic?

588 messages,  Last post on Sep 06, 2009 at 3:54 PM

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Re: Another Mopar [hpmctorque] by fintail
Jan 02, 2009 (9:50 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Jan 02, 2009 5:55 am)

I am skeptical the PT ragtop will ever be anything to attract interest. It's not exactly pretty or cool. The K-car ragtops have at least a goofy retro aura to them now (and the Jon Voight/Planes, Trains, and Automobiles connection can't hurt)...I don't see the PT having that in 20 years.
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Re: Another Mopar [fintail] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 02, 2009 (10:19 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 02, 2009 9:50 am)

Well there have been a FEW cases of cars that were regarded as rather ugly (as is the PT Cruiser convertible IMO) finally being accepted after many decades of abuse. The Chrysler Air Flow comes to mind, and some models can be quite valuable now.
 
What seems to happen is that the things that offended the eye at the time the car was built become (interestingly) unnoticed by the eyes of the future.
 
With the Edsel, it seems like our eyes are still sensitive to the ugliness, but somehow we have forgiven the Chrysler Air Flow, the '59 Cadillac, the '58 Oldsmobile, etc. Now they are "camp" (or whatever the new term is for IRONY IN DESIGN).
 
Of course, ANY open car will generally be saved by someone, if it is not too badly deteriorated.
 
So I'm predicting that PT Cruiser convertibles will be saved if they are nice survivors, but not restored. I see them as like Rambler American convertibles from the early 60s. Nothing to brag about, not worth that much, but if shiny and nice, too valuable or useful to junk.
 
So somewhere between a Renault Alliance convertible and a Nash Metro convertible in value and desireability, is my opinion.
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The main thing that bugs me... by andre1969
Jan 02, 2009 (10:26 am)
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about the PT Cruiser convertible, is that IMO it's not a "real" convertible. It still has a full, thick, B-pillar with a roll bar. Plus, with the high beltline and the top that still sticks up about 7-8 inches, it just doesn't feel all that open-air.
 
I wonder if the market would tend to differentiate between a "real" convertible and a "semi" convertible, such as the PT, VW Rabbit/Cabriolet, W-body Cutlass Supreme, and others that I'm sure I'm missing?
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Re: The main thing that bugs me... [andre1969] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 02, 2009 (10:32 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jan 02, 2009 10:26 am)

Some cars should never be made into convertibles. The PT Cruiser, the VW Rabbit, The Jaguar XJ-S, the Triumph Stag just to name 4. Very awkward looking IMO.
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Re: The main thing that bugs me... [Mr_Shiftright] by fezo
Jan 02, 2009 (11:54 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 02, 2009 10:32 am)

Those are pretty good examples. The PT Cruiser convertible was a mistake from the get go. With the top down it looks like a misshapen Easter basket. The VW Cabrio and its predecessors had the same problem.
 
Thanks, Andre! I always wondered why Bunkie was called Bunkie. You've certainly removed all doubt on taht one.
 
That Verduro Green was a pretty funny color for a car. Like they took the idea and started making refrigerators that color. Just when I thought I had blocked out the 70s...
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Re: One of the Edsel's biggest problems... [uplanderguy] by lemko
Jan 02, 2009 (12:05 pm)
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Replying to: uplanderguy (Jan 01, 2009 3:50 pm)

I just Google-mapped 1580 East Grand Boulevard, Detroit. Post-apocalyptic best describes it.
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Re: One of the Edsel's biggest problems... [lemko] by fezo
Jan 02, 2009 (12:27 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 02, 2009 12:05 pm)

Now that I think of it that Verduro Green Pontiac is something you;d look sharp tooling around in while wearing your leisure suit...
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Re: One of the Edsel's biggest problems... [fezo] by andre1969
Jan 02, 2009 (12:45 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Jan 02, 2009 12:27 pm)

Evidently, somebody doesn't mind that Vedoro green color. On these cars, I think it looks okay. But yeah, with that '68 Bonneville pictured above, it looks like the leisure suit crowd would go for it. I think part of the problem is that in 1968, the big Pontiacs were starting to shed their sporty looks, and were getting a bit tacky. The fender skirts that they put on Bonnevilles certainly didn't help, either!
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Re: One of the Edsel's biggest problems... [andre1969] by fintail
Jan 02, 2009 (1:19 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jan 02, 2009 12:45 pm)

I am sure I am off on this as I am recalling seeing an old photo, but before I was born, my grandfather had a fuselage Chrysler, and it was a green not too different from that. Not the best color for something so huge.
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Re: One of the Edsel's biggest problems... [fintail] by fezo
Jan 02, 2009 (5:49 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 02, 2009 1:19 pm)

Green is a tough color to pull off on a car. I'm not exactly sure why but it seems to me that you have to get green just right for it work. For some reason red and blue work in all sorts of shades. Yellow is another story altogether.
 
Of course now white is the most common color on new cars. Not for me, thanks.

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