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Replying to: killerbunny (Nov 10, 2006 9:16 pm) Do you know what is quality and what is reliability? Yes. If it's 2006 data and from JD Power, then it must be the IQS (initial quality study). It's about whether the buyer likes the car or not for the first 90 days of ownership. It is incorrect to summarize the IQS as "whether the buyer likes the car or not". Either you are confused or simply did not know that the APEAL study is the measure of (in your words) "whether the buyer likes the car or not". quote- APEAL is designed to complement the J.D. Power and Associates Initial Quality StudySM (IQS), which focuses on problems experienced by owners during the first 90 days of ownership. APEAL measures how gratifying a new vehicle is to own and drive. While the redesigned Initial Quality Study included a new measurement for design quality, the APEAL Study finds almost no relationship between a model’s overall APEAL score and its IQS design score. -end quote- IQS measures a broad range of quality problems, heavily weighted toward defects and malfunctions, quality of workmanship, drivability, human factors in engineering (i.e. ease of use) and safety-related problems. Among these categories, the area that accounts for the greatest product improvement since 1998 are defects and malfunctions. -end In case you don't know, JD Power also conduct a relaibility study that documents the ownership experience for a period of time at 3 years or longer. Actually, it is problems experienced during 12 months for 3 year old vehicles. quote- Long-Term Dependability The Vehicle Dependability Study (VDS) evaluates vehicle quality after three years of ownership. Owners rate vehicles based on problems experienced during the previous 12 months. Results are summarized with a problems-per-100-vehicles (PP100) designation. -end Better yet, Consumer Report has typically 10 years of study for reliability. If you prefer a flawed method of choosing the population (only Conumer Reports Subscribers are sampled  ) that is sampled, then CR is "better yet". And if can guess right, according to both JDP and CR, VW Golfs/Beetles are about THE least reliable cars in this segment. You guessed wrong. Chevrolet Cobalt is the correct answer.
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| i test drove a mazda 3itouring sedan among many other cars before deciding on the rabbit.i just felt that in my opinion the rabbit drove better,had more safety and convienence features for the money than the mazda 3 did,and also had a better warranty than the mazda 3.despite the better reliability rateing that the mazda 3 has,i just felt that the rabbit was a much better overall value.the mazda 3 drove a little rough for my tastes,while the rabbit had a much better ride and still handled very well.i think that the rabbit has a great balance of ride and handleing. | |
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Replying to: moparbad (Nov 16, 2006 1:48 pm) I would have to disagree with the end of your statement. If you look at Consumer Reports, which I have found to have quite accurate long term reliability ratings, that have the Mazda3 rated "reliable" and is a "Recommended Buy". I would say it is a bit early to say that the Rabbit is unreliable, however, their assessment of it's predecessor, the Golf, they rated that as having poor reliability, and Volkswagen rated next to last in long term reliability s a company. I really do not see VW pulling a 180 in terms of reliability in the Rabbit (which it's only called in NA, still the Golf in Germany) in the matter of 1 MY.
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Nov 16, 2006 3:16 pm)  1 model year? Are you aware of how long the Golf (Rabbit) has been in production? The current Rabbit (Golf Mk5) was introduced in 2003. There are 3 years of reliability history for the current model Golf and the data is very good. The new model Rabbit (Golf) is expected to debut as a 2008 model. Current Rabbit is going to have a short run in the US. |
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Replying to: moparbad (Nov 17, 2006 8:54 am)
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| vw and the word reliability do not go hand in hand.infact,vw and the word reliability should not even be mentioned in the same breath.i don't think there is any vw car be it the jetta,rabbit,passat,ect that has been given any kind of positive reliability review in recent years and the golf is no exception.there are many current and former vw owners that will agree with me. | |
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Replying to: steven39 (Nov 18, 2006 9:34 am) One thing I have heard numerous times from almost every VW owner. Usually, they get one that lasts forever, and then the get one that is nothing but a rat trap. Total unconsistancy.
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Nov 18, 2006 7:11 am) What data have you seen aviboy? What are the differences in expected reliability or differences in past reliability of German VW Golfs and Mazda3? Both vehicles have been on the market for several years so there is data for both past and current (initial) reliability.
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Nov 18, 2006 10:30 am) I've heard that the cow jumped over the moon, does that make it believable? Do you have data to demonstrate the difference in reliability of the Rabbit vs. Mazda3? Other than anecdotal or hearsay? |
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Replying to: steven39 (Nov 18, 2006 9:34 am) Is there data that you could share to show the difference in reliability between Mazda3 and Rabbit? Anecdotal experience is entertaining at best. |
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