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#89 of 389 prop rod by steven39 Nov 10, 2006 (3:11 pm)
just for the record here folks,the rabbit's hood is opened with a gas strut, not a prop rod.i just feel that prop rods belong on under $10,000 kia's and hyundai's not on 20,000.00+ cars.it's tasteless as far as iam concerned.
#90 of 389 Re: prop rod [audia8q] by bodble2 Nov 10, 2006 (3:30 pm)
Replying to: audia8q (Nov 10, 2006 2:16 pm) I'm not sure it would even cost them as much as $15/car to install one gas strut in place of the rod. Based on 100,000+ cars, it probably costs them $1.95 per. But lets say it does. I'm sure they could increase the price of the car by $15 and no one would notice. And they would end up selling a few more cars to people like me and steven39!
#91 of 389 Re: prop rod [steven39] by moparbad Nov 10, 2006 (3:46 pm)
Replying to: steven39 (Nov 10, 2006 1:34 pm) I've never had to replace a prop rod. Gas struts and coil springs on hoods have both caused me a problem or two on cars over that past 30 years. I prefer a prop rod.   Redline Tuning offers gas strut kits for many makes and models of vehicles for those who prefer gas struts on their hoods. Replies to this message: bodble2 (Nov 10, 2006 6:43 pm)
#92 of 389 Re: prop rod [moparbad] by bodble2 Nov 10, 2006 (6:43 pm)
Replying to: moparbad (Nov 10, 2006 3:46 pm) I've never had to replace a gas strut either, even those on rear hatches that gets opened and closed several times a day. For the hood, which if I'm lucky, might need to be opened once every 3 months or more , so, IMO, the hood struts should last a lifetime, or longer.
#93 of 389 Re: Mazda3 2.3 vs. '07 VW Rabbit, auto & manual [johnnyvj] by killerbunny Nov 10, 2006 (9:02 pm)
Replying to: johnnyvj (Sep 25, 2006 4:43 pm) Long story short, the ex-VW owners tell me they will never touch one again, and the current VW owners are all saying that their next car will NOT be a VW, no matter what. Not exactly a recommendation.   Back in the 60s, VW had almost 50% of US import car market share, by far the largest. Right now? They barely exist. I guess most VW owners never returned, indeed.   Back in the 90s, VW had almost 50% of Chinese car market share, by far the largest. Right now? They are down to 20%. Coincidence? History repeating itself?   IMO, a car is "cheap" if it fails to deliver the service expected. VW's have been "cheap" for quite some time. Replies to this message: bodble2 (Nov 10, 2006 11:10 pm)
#94 of 389 Re: Mazda3 2.3 vs. '07 VW Rabbit, auto & manual [moparbad] by killerbunny Nov 10, 2006 (9:16 pm)
Replying to: moparbad (Oct 26, 2006 8:17 am) 06 Golf had higher quality rating (fewer problems per vehicle)than Mazda 3 as rated by JD Power. It is expected that the Rabbit will have better quality than the Golf based on actual quality improvements seen in Europe when Golf IV model switched to Golf V model (Golf V = Rabbit).    Bottom line, reliability goes to VW Rabbit compared to Mazda 3.   Do you know what is quality and what is reliability?   If it's 2006 data and from JD Power, then it must be the IQS (initial quality study). It's about whether the buyer likes the car or not for the first 90 days of ownership.   In case you don't know, JD Power also conduct a relaibility study that documents the ownership experience for a period of time at 3 years or longer.   Better yet, Consumer Report has typically 10 years of study for reliability.   And if can guess right, according to both JDP and CR, VW Golfs/Beetles are about THE least reliable cars in this segment. Replies to this message: moparbad (Nov 16, 2006 1:48 pm) aviboy97 (Nov 16, 2006 3:16 pm) moparbad (Nov 17, 2006 8:54 am) and 4 more...
#95 of 389 Re: Mazda3 2.3 vs. '07 VW Rabbit, auto & manual [killerbunny] by bodble2 Nov 10, 2006 (11:10 pm)
Replying to: killerbunny (Nov 10, 2006 9:02 pm) Your analysis is flawed.   Diminished market share in the scenario you described did not necessarily mean diminished product quality.   In both cases, it was simply the result of gradual infusion of other import brands.   Especially with the Chinese market. One cannot simply walk into the Chinese market. The government there can and will make you go through all kinds of hoops. And you have to know that, until relatively recently, the Chinese was not friendly to Japanese products, cars included.   Even if VW had improved quality, more competition would have resulted in reduced market share.   "...a car is "cheap" if it fails to deliver the service expected"   I also don't agree with that statement. Cheap and reliability, or lack of, are 2 distinctly different issues. Jags and MB do not particularly have good reliability records. But I doubt you would hear anyone refer to them as cheap.   And for the record, I know plenty of repeat, in some cases, life-long, VW customers.
#96 of 389 Re: rabbit vs corolla [steven39] by eldaino Nov 13, 2006 (7:50 am)
Replying to: steven39 (Nov 10, 2006 1:00 pm) Man i hear ya stevo. I feel like the civic handled just a TAD bit better, no doubt to its lower height and weight. i"m plannin on slapping some 17's on my rabbit and that should balance things out a bit. I miss the milage too, but not terrible; the performance trade off is excellent. I've had mine for almost 4000 miles (we got it at the beggining of oct.) and it has been great.
#97 of 389 07 rabbit 2dr manual by steven39 Nov 13, 2006 (9:27 am)
the 2dr rabbit with manual tranny is probably the best value out there right now.i tried to find one down here in ft. lauderdale,fla and was unable to.the msrp is 14,995.00 plus destination and for that money and features content,you are getting a car that drives like you spent twice as much for it.
#98 of 389 too early for me to consider VW again by nedzel Nov 14, 2006 (10:07 am)
I sold my 2000 GTI GLX after 40,000 miles. The extreme lack of reliability and the very poor quality of the dealer service combined to make it a nightmare. I can't remember everything that needed to be fixed on that car, but it included:   - rear struts and strut top mounts twice (and they needed to be replaced again when I sold the car) - starter motor - spark plugs and plug wires - mass air flow sensor - ignition coil pack - ac compressor - thermostat - rear brakes - headlight bulbs multiple times - all the taillight bulbs multiple times - turn signal stalk   thankfully, I never suffered from the failing window regulators. But I did have 2nd gear grind.   My GTI's interior was beautiful. The gauges were crisp, clear, and very easy to read. Although a little soft, I liked the way it drove.   What surprises me about the Golf 5 is how overweight it is. I thought my GTI was a porker at 2900+ lbs. The Golf 5 is now over 3300 lbs! So it is no surprise that the Golf 5 has crummy fuel economy.   It's too bad, because I like VW exterior and interior styling. VWOA recognizes that they've got major problems and they are working on it. Whether they've gotten where they need to be yet is the big question.   In June, VWOA executive Adrian Hallmark was quoted as saying "The current customer satisfaction and dealer experience is as bad as it gets!"

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