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Mazda3 2.3 vs. '07 VW Rabbit

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Re: Beautiful = over 30 and under 3000 pounds [backy] by aviboy97
Oct 20, 2008 (7:41 am)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 19, 2008 7:58 am)

Mazda's, as well as other makes, usually far exceed their EPA estimates. Why, I have no idea. Most 2.0L Mazda3 owners report mid to high 30's on the highway, and usually an average of 30mpg. The 2.3L owners tend to get 32-33 highway, and mid 20's in town. Both real world MPG's are in excess of the EPA estimates.
 
"Not great enough to excuse the relatively low fuel economy, IMO."
 
Maybe so, but, that seems to be the truth. Is there more to it? Probably. Lack of technology could be it too. The new 2.5L seems to be much much better with owners reporting 30+ on the highway with ease.
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Re: Beautiful = over 30 and under 3000 pounds [aviboy97] by backy
Oct 20, 2008 (8:12 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 20, 2008 7:41 am)

Mazda's, as well as other makes, usually far exceed their EPA estimates.
 
When driven reasonably, yes, I agree. But I know, and you also know if you've followed forums like the "real world fuel economy" discussions here at Edmunds.com, that it is possible and even common to not reach the EPA estimates. For example, I routinely exceed the EPA estimates on any car I drive, but my wife has the proverbial lead foot and doesn't hit the EPA numbers.
 
Which Mazda3 is the 2.5L engine available with?
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Re: Beautiful = over 30 and under 3000 pounds [backy] by aviboy97
Oct 20, 2008 (8:20 am)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 20, 2008 8:12 am)

The 2.5L was in reference to the 09 Mazda6....I should have clarified....My first few highway trips in the 09 6 got 32mpg on the first, and 33.4 on the second. Doing 70 on both with the a/c on.
 
2010 Mazda3 will have the new and improved 2.0L with the rumored start-stop system and more power. It will also have the 170hp 2.5L.
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Re: I have had my 07 Rabbit since Dec 06 [creakid1] by thegraduate
Oct 20, 2008 (8:47 am)
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Replying to: creakid1 (Apr 20, 2008 12:50 pm)

I also doubt the clumsy heavy bulky '03 Accord w/ huge turning circle really rides smoother than the Rabbit.
 
Dunno about comparing the ride, but for a midsize car, the previous generation Accord has a tidy turning radius, at 36.9 ft, versus the compact Rabbit with 35.8 ft. Considering the class of car, I don't think the Accord's radius is "huge," unless you consider the compact Vee-Dub's radius as "huge" also.
 
Yeah, I know its an old post, but I read it and couldn't help myself.
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Re: I have had my 07 Rabbit since Dec 06 [thegraduate] by creakid1
Oct 20, 2008 (4:55 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 20, 2008 8:47 am)

Agree, they both got huge turning radius. The '03 Passat does have relatively small turning radius, by comparison.
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Re: I have had my 07 Rabbit since Dec 06 [creakid1] by thegraduate
Oct 22, 2008 (6:23 am)
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Replying to: creakid1 (Oct 20, 2008 4:55 pm)

Well, to be fair here, the only info I found on the 2003 Passat (1.8L) shows a turning radius of 11400mm, or 37.4 feet - the biggest of them all!
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Re: Mazda3 2.3 vs. '07 VW Rabbit, auto & manual [autonomous] by myershift
Oct 22, 2008 (1:44 pm)
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Replying to: autonomous (Oct 16, 2008 2:01 pm)

It may be a small car, but it has the biggest engine in class with the most cylinders as well. Coupled with the weight of the car, this is just fine. Volkswagen does have four cylinder petrols in Europe that can get near 40mpg and diesels that can get near 50 mpg. Their Polo Bluemotion has attained something like 75 mpg.
 
The Mazda3 IS noisy. Check out Car&Driver's website if you don't believe. It just doesn't feel as solid as the Volkswagen does. What I stated does in no way go against what most of the auto rags have published.
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Re: Mazda3 2.3 vs. '07 VW Rabbit, auto & manual [myershift] by autonomous
Oct 22, 2008 (2:17 pm)
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Replying to: myershift (Oct 22, 2008 1:44 pm)

The Mazda3 IS noisy.
In my opinion, many car magazines tend not to be systematic in their testing so I rely on Consumer Reports.
 
As it turns out CR agrees with you about the Mazda3, i.e. "road noise is pronounced." Inerestingly Tony Swan, one of the Car and Driver reviewers found the Mazda3 "quiet". When I tested the Mazda3 earlier this fall I did not find the noise excessive.
 
Regarding the Rabbit, CR says in the June 2008 issue: "Some road noise is persistent over most surfaces, and the engine can sound gruff when it is revved up, but overall the Rabbit is fairly quiet." I guess I'll have to drive a Rabbit and find out myself.
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by whitesands
Dec 15, 2008 (11:02 pm)
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My wife and I have been trying to find a new car for her and we test drove a few cars including the Mazda3 and the VW Rabbit....
 
 The Mazda 3 was nice but betwen the two of us we both thought the Rabbit was better by far....The interior of the rabbit is outstanding...You can tell a difference just by closing the door...
 
  The Rabbit = Better interior, fit and finish, less road noise, less wind noise, much stronger engine, better sound system, absorbs bumps more smoothly, similar handling and braking, very solid feel when driving yet very smooth...Traction control, and electronic stability programming ect ect...
 
 The Mazda3 is nice and both of us thought it was better than the rest of the small cars but we liked the Rabbit better...But it is about $1,500 to $2000 more for us....
 
 Don't think you would go wrong with the Mazda3 at all...It's nice too we just liked the Rabbit better.
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I liked the Rabbit better... by shipo
Dec 16, 2008 (5:05 am)
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...but I bought the Mazda3. Why? Simple, around here at least, finding a black Rabbit with a manual transmission is more difficult than finding the proverbial needle in the haystack. After being asked for the umpteenth time, "Could we interest you in a Rabbit with an automatic transmission?" I went over to my local Mazda dealership and found a Mazda3 i Touring Value Edition that was similarly equipped to the way I'd set the Rabbit up, and for less money too.
 
Had a Rabbit 5-Speed been available, I would have bought it over the Mazda3, that said, am I sad that I bought the Mazda? Nope, it's a fine little car.
 
Best regards,
Shipo

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