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Mazda3 2.3 vs. '07 VW Rabbit

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Important consideration in comparison? [wilkich84] by autonomous
May 28, 2007 (7:49 am)
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Replying to: wilkich84 (May 26, 2007 1:45 pm)

quality is a huge issue cost-wise and time-wise (who has time to waste taking the car to the shop?)
 
You didn't mention reliability which many motorists consider very important but you do make the comment about wasting time and money servicing vehicles. Have you compared the reliability information provided by Consumer Reports and others? VW has a huge hurdle to overcome in that regard.
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Re: Important consideration in comparison? [autonomous] by bodble2
May 28, 2007 (7:52 pm)
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Replying to: autonomous (May 28, 2007 7:49 am)

My impression was when he said "quality", he was referring to reliability.
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Re: Important consideration in comparison? [autonomous] by eldaino
May 29, 2007 (5:24 am)
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Replying to: autonomous (May 28, 2007 7:49 am)

consumer reports, i feel, is broken.
 
if you think about it....its the people who subscribe to them that get to dish out the ratings on the cars...having said that, what are the chances of consumer reports buyers continually buying vw's that they have rated badly in the past? you think they would have learned their lesson. I dunno, its seems like a good way to keep cars that have been rated well, continually rated well; and a way to keep suppossed crappy cars crappy.
 
aside from pricey service, my bunny has been good to me.
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Re: Important consideration in comparison? [eldaino] by d_hyper
May 29, 2007 (10:39 am)
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Replying to: eldaino (May 29, 2007 5:24 am)

This is a great argument...perhaps their sample of VW is too small, statistically, to make good predictions on the whole population. On the other hand, what if people who buy VW only to discover it is "horrible", learn the lesson and subscribe to CR in masses? While buyers who buy Toyota don't need any more positive reinforcement and cancel a subscription. We may never know...
 
On thing for sure, both VW and MB, recently admitted quality is their top priority, because their are lagging in it and it shows in sales numbers.
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Re: Important consideration in comparison? [d_hyper] by bodble2
May 29, 2007 (11:42 am)
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Replying to: d_hyper (May 29, 2007 10:39 am)

Where there's smoke, there's fire. That's what I always say.
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Re: Important consideration in comparison? [d_hyper] by autonomous
May 29, 2007 (1:43 pm)
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Replying to: d_hyper (May 29, 2007 10:39 am)

perhaps their sample of VW is too small, statistically
 
Actually, CR checks for these cases. If the sample is too small, they note that and do not list the results. The CR poll is one of the largest sources of actual consumer opinions available.
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Re: Important consideration in comparison? [eldaino] by socal2006
May 29, 2007 (4:02 pm)
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Replying to: eldaino (May 29, 2007 5:24 am)

While that is a valid criticism of CR, VW lags in reliability/quality in every report availble (jd powers, ward's). Sure, all reports have their shortcomings, but when VW is so consistently behind, it should raise some red flags.
 
That said, it's more likely you'll get a dependable vehicle than a lemony one no matter the make.
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Re: Recent comparison [wilkich84] by socal2006
May 29, 2007 (4:10 pm)
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Replying to: wilkich84 (May 26, 2007 1:45 pm)

Sounds like you are leaning towards the VW based on the quality of the interior.
 
IMO, the rabbit really shouldn't be a direct competitor to the 3 (and civic, etc.). As you noted, the rabbit has significantly less space than most c segment cars, and it always has (even as a golf). I've often thought about buying a rabbit/golf, but it seemed more like a luxury b segment than a c segment.
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Re: Recent comparison [socal2006] by seminole_kev
May 29, 2007 (4:37 pm)
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Replying to: socal2006 (May 29, 2007 4:10 pm)

In looking at the interior space between the Rabbit and the Mazda 3 and they look pretty much the same for passenger space (with Rabbit bigger in some respects). Not sure if this link to Edmunds stats compering the two will work or not.
 
3 and Rabbit specs
 
The real difference is in the longer cargo area which (of course) makes for a bigger boot for the Mazda 3. But passenger space looks pretty close.
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Re: Recent comparison [socal2006] by eldaino
May 30, 2007 (7:43 am)
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Replying to: socal2006 (May 29, 2007 4:10 pm)

agree with seminole. While the cargo space is small, that doesn't mean its a b class car; the only reason it gets compared in such a way is that unlike the civic, in base guise the rabbit offers a lot and it is relatively cheap.
 
The rabbit/golf may have always been kinda small, but so has the jetta, which vw considers to be its midsize. The 3 series has always been tight on space, but that doesn't make it any less of a competitor to bigger luxury sport sedans. Anyway, this is totally of subject. The rabbit IS a competitor to the civic/mazda3/nissan sentra and the like, wether the size specs support it or not.
 
With regards to consumer reports, i have been continually checking to see if there is any info with regards to the rabbit; there is still not enough data to rate. And while the gti does not have a checkmark, cr does claim its one of the better smaller sporty cars, and the ratings are not horrendous.
 
Even so, my orginal arugument still stands; and maybe people who DO have crappy vw's go out and subscribe to them.
 
It will never end i guess.

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