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Hatchbacks Mazda3 Mazda3 2.3 vs. '07 VW Rabbit
389 messages, Last post on Apr 17, 2009 at 12:40 PM
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Replying to: dudleyr (Apr 10, 2007 5:53 pm)   , let me add that I think the Mazda 3 is a great package in terms of style, price, feature and performance, although I have no experience with its gas economy. The recent addition of a 5-speed auto and full complement of airbags really put it on another level. I only wished it offered traction control. If the Rabbit had better mpg, and wasn't saddled with the VW reliability reputation, it would be unmatched in the small hatch segment. 6-speed auto, curtain airbags, traction and stability control, classy interior, gas hood struts.... The only other small hatch to beat it that I can think of, are the Mini, and Volvo C30. But those models cost thousands more, and the VW offers much more utility. |
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Replying to: bodble2 (Apr 10, 2007 1:37 pm) You have yet to directly answer all of my questions. I'm trying to explain something to you, but you just want to call me names, and if your going to resort to such juvinile things thats fine, i'll just deal w/it.  , but i wont resort to it. I cant really tell where you stand on this subject anymore; you have never really answered any of the questions i've asked you. Out of all this arguing though, we can both agree on the following; A car getting its name changed does not make it a new car. I never stated otherwise. But that was not my original argument was it? Its obvious that your definition of a 'new' car means a car that is new to the market IN GENERAL, such like the tiguan and the phaeteon, vw's that had never been seen before by anyone and were a new vehicle to the small suv/large lux sedan segment. Ok fine. But...about 90% of everyone else will agree with me in that when a car gets REDESIGNED top to bottom, its safe to say that it is different enough from the previous version to be called 'all new.' And despite what YOU may think, other car manufacturers have called their re-designs 'new.' Who hasn't heard of the 'all new civic', the 'all new mazda 3' or the 'all new toyota camry'? Has vw always had a 2 or 4 door hatch to market to the massess? Yes. DUH. This, per say, is not new. I've always known that, and so have countless other people. Do you really think that by changing the name to "Rabbit" i thought it was a new car in that sense? Everything i have posted has C...L...E..A...R...L...Y stated otherwise, and that i realize its the latest version of the golf. That was never,EVER the issue!!!  I didnt think this was difficult to understand, but you could have at least stated that a new car TO YOU, only means a completely brand new model. But there is a difference between redesign and new model and both could merit the reference of being 'new.' If this is your stance on this basic prinicpal of the automotive industry's tendency to update and improve its products, you will never see eye to eye with anyone who has a newer version of a car that has been in production under the same name. I guess you don't like new cars. You obviously would never drive the newer version of what you are driving now, since all your posts have explicitly shown that you feel that its just the same thing. In one of your first posts, you stated or at least insinuated that vw came out with a next gen golf, and then changed the name shortly after. This is simply not true. They changed the name along with the redesign, which makes it seem so funny that you feel so strongly about this, since the mazda 3 kinda did the same thing, the name was changed to mazda 3 when the redesign took place. But no one is harping on the 3 are they?  Lets forget the name rabbit for a second. I think that its too much for your mind to handle at the moment. If stallionaire was complaining about the golf, ok he has every right to do so. But 2 things are outstanding: 1. Its lame to post why you hate a car without any reason. He gave that later on, but would not have done so if no one had called him out on it. End of story. 2. Because of the golfs name change to 'rabbit' when the new model came out, it came to light that he was actually talking about the PREVIOUS GENERATION of golf, and had no real right to harp on the MKV. (when he only owned an MKIV) there is no denying that this is ignorant and unfair regardless of if you think that the newest generation merits the term 'all new car or not'. I'm going to give another example, and use lots of spaces for your sake; the mazda 3 is a successor to the protege, but mazda could have kept the name 'protege' and the car still would have been a complete 'all new' redesign. Now read very carefully this is the important part....if i owned a protege 5, and it gave tons of problems, and my experience was just horrendous with it, would it be fair for me to just come out and say, 'the mazda 3 hatch sucks' when my experience is based upon the previous generation? NO. Plain and simple. There is NO arguing that point. The fact that they changed the name to mazda 3 is irrelevant, just like how chaning the name to rabbit is irrelevant, because the fact still remains that they are practically 2 different vehicles when compared to their previous versions. There really is nothing left to say. I've stated the facts not opinions, and i can only hope your brain is large enough to process the information. Have a nice day! |
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I think we've run around this semantic circle for long enough. Time to move on. This is a comparison thread about the vehicles, not a place to discuss why someone is or isn't critical about a vehicle. People ARE going to have differing opinions about vehicles. Whether they own them or not is not the subject. If we cannot let this go and move on, we have a problem.
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agreed pf_flyer, just make sure the name calling stays outside and that people can at least get their cars straight and not make random, baseless comments!
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Replying to: eldaino (Apr 11, 2007 9:00 am) |
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there was PLENTY on what you said; no one deny's that the mkIV had its reliability issues...but this thread is not about the MKIV, its about the MKV, which is known in the us since its debut as the rabbit. And if i recall, you didn't really specify to much about what the problems really were, in fact need i remind you what your first post was? Something along the lines of the rabbit sucking? Without realizing that you had a different generation of golf? If you really wanted to understand problems or issues with your generation golf, you should go to the GOLF forums. (thats why they exist.)
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People ARE allowed to make errors, and yes, even post comments that you might disagree with. They can even make comments that might turn out to have no basis in fact. This is a message board, not a court of law. What needs to stop NOW is the attitude that anyone here is the arbiter of what can and cannot be posted. If something runs afoul of the Rules of the Road, that's a matter for the hosts. That includes the name calling, personal attacks and the like. Chances are that you are going to see opinions that don't agree with yours. That's fine and is what makes the boards interesting. It's also something that everyone has to live with. What's not fine is questioning the motive or intelligence of the person posting that differing opinion. Or attacking them because they don't like or agree with your vehicle choice. So let's try and get back to the comparison discussion here. Any further posts that want to continue the arguement will be removed. If the discussion continues to return to why people are posting, or commenting on other users, I'm going to assume that this comparison discussion is finished and needs to be retired. Thanks for your cooperation and participation!
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Apr 11, 2007 9:16 am) Well, I've certainly done my share of that.... Just for the record, I wouldn't question someone's reluctance to consider a Mazda3 if they'd had multiple problems with a Mazda Protege. I wouldn't question someone's reluctance to consider a Chevy Cobalt if they'd had multiple problems with a Chevy Cavalier. And I won't question someone's reluctance to consider a new Golf/Rabbit if they've had multiple problems with an older Golf/Rabbit. Yes, the new editions may be (probably are) much improved. But there is a range of good choices all through this segment, so why have to deal with nagging worries about the reliability of your NEW car based on poor history with a previous car? In my opinion, it's a growing propensity of consumers to LEAVE a manufacturer after 1 bad experience that is driving the manufacturer's to improve their product. They can't rely (as much) on brand loyalty to keep those owners in house.
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