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Hatchbacks Mazda3 Mazda3 2.3 vs. '07 VW Rabbit
389 messages, Last post on Apr 17, 2009 at 12:40 PM
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Replying to: bodble2 (Apr 10, 2007 11:22 am) you never said the car hasn't been changed huh? I never argued that because you change a model's name; it makes it a new car. If you change the name of the civic to something else, and everything remains the same, yes its still a civic. With the golf, when it was time for a COMPLETE redesign, they decided to change the name along with it. Why is that hard to understand? If you don't car what they call it, fine. This whole thing started because someone who owned a u.s. spec GOLF (previous gen) stated that the RABBIT (current gen) sucked, when he's never driven it and he admitted to that. EVEN if they NEVER changed the name, his comments would have still been unfair, because he would still have to deal with the fact that this thread is about the current generation (MKV) and he owned a previous one. (MKIV) You seem to think just because it has a new name it has become a completely new model. No I DON'T. But in the case of the rabbit, when they changed the model, they...also...changed...the...NAME! What if they changed the name mid-cycle? That would really throw you for a loop, No it wouldn't, but it certainly has for you!  I've been very plain with my posts, to the point where another poster (avi) has had to tell you that, YES it is a totally different car from the previous generation. |
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Apr 10, 2007 9:17 am) |
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Replying to: eldaino (Apr 10, 2007 12:08 pm) Which part of that did you not understand? Would it help you if I typed more slowly? Changes, upgrades, makeovers, updates from generation to generation do not make it a "new model", you moron. When VW introduced the Phaeton, the Toureg, the Tiguan...those are "new models". Take you for example, next year you could get a new wardrobe, gain/lose 10 lbs, but it would still be the same pompouse obnoxious you. "EVEN if they NEVER changed the name, his comments would have still been unfair, because he would still have to deal with the fact that this thread is about the current generation (MKV) and he owned a previous one. (MKIV)" He was commenting on the reliability of his Golf, and in that respect, it most certainly was fair for him to reference the experience he had with his car. Time will prove him right or wrong, but it is fair for him to so comment.
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This is getting tiresome. 
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Replying to: dudleyr (Apr 10, 2007 3:01 pm)
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Replying to: bodble2 (Apr 10, 2007 1:37 pm) In fact, the ambiguity and harshness of his post was what really put off eldaino. Stallioner initially just said the rabbit sucked, while giving no concrete reasons. Those sort of comments are essentially pointless.
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Maybe we can swing back to the cars now?
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Replying to: socal2006 (Apr 10, 2007 3:31 pm) |
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OK I will start. I think both cars are good drivers cars. I also think it is great that they both have such readily available safety features such as stability control. Honda and Toyota should take notice. I especially appreciate that they are 4 door hatchbacks - the second most usefull bodystyle (to the station wagon). More companies should take notice of this as well. On the other hand fuel economy could be much better. The Mazda 3 is 300 lbs less than an Accord and has a smaller engine, yet uses more fuel. The Rabbit is even worse - partly because it weighs as much as an Accord and has a larger engine with less power. I was on the brink of purchasing a 3 hatch, but it was vetoed at the last moment for lack of rear seat room (I am but one vote). If the 3 hatch had the 2.0 liter engine that does significntly better mpg wise with very little loss of pep (I am comparing stick shift models) I might have been compelled to go for 2/3 majority to counter the veto.  I really wish they made that combo. It saddens me that Mazda feels people who want an efficient 4 door hatch will only purchase one if it has a larger engine. As far as VW goes. I never really considered it this time around (I have owned a VW in the past - 1980 Scirocco). It had a little less room than the Mazda, and I feel had become too heavy for its size. It weighs over 50% more than the first Rabbits we had, and has not too much more room. I have always liked the driving dynamics of VW's though especially the nice thick steering wheels and heavy communicative steering. To me the magic bullet for VW is the diesel engine. A TDI would have had me extremely interested - in fact a TDI Jetta wagon would have catapulted to the top of my list. I apologize if this is off the current topic. 
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Replying to: dudleyr (Apr 10, 2007 5:53 pm)  , let me add that I think the Mazda 3 is a great package in terms of style, price, feature and performance, although I have no experience with its gas economy. The recent addition of a 5-speed auto and full complement of airbags really put it on another level. I only wished it offered traction control. If the Rabbit had better mpg, and wasn't saddled with the VW reliability reputation, it would be unmatched in the small hatch segment. 6-speed auto, curtain airbags, traction and stability control, classy interior, gas hood struts.... The only other small hatch to beat it that I can think of, are the Mini, and Volvo C30. But those models cost thousands more, and the VW offers much more utility. |
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