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#173 of 389 Re: Mazda3 2.3 vs. '07 VW Rabbit, auto & manual [bodble2]
Apr 10, 2007 (9:00 am)
what do you mean who cares? Isn't every new car an evolution of the prior model? The argument here was that stallionaire didn't understand that the car changed completely when the name changed to rabbit. Thats when vw decided to release the new model, and under that name. No one is arguing that models don't evolve, but wether they change their names or not still doesn't mean that they are all the same car!
The golf has not been called the rabbit since back in the 70's when it first came to our shores!
I don't think this is an issue about 'caring'. I'm just stating facts. All your posts have insinuated that the rabbit, in its form now, has always been this way and that a name change was all that occured in 2006. WRONG.
The sheetmetal, suspension (torsion ---->independent), engine (2.0 115 hp ----> 2.5 150 hp), interior, chassis, everything, is part of a brand new model. Will a golf always be a golf? Yes but there a differences between the generations! DUH! Isn't the mazda 3 just a successor to the protege with a changed name and revised styling, suspension, drivetrain, interior, suspension etc? Yes, thats why its called a FULL MODEL CHANGE.
YOu seemed earlier to not be able to understand this concept. Other examples: yes the new civic is still a civic, but its worlds different than its previous version. Same goes for the mazda 3, the nissan sentra, the vw rabbit, (regardless of name change) and the list goes on and on! Would it make sense to harp on a 1970's rabbit and say that the new one is the same thing? NO! They are worlds apart and ALL vehicle models vary, sometimes VERY drastically from thier previous generation.
This conversation is not about the rabbit anymore, its about trying to clarify that if new models of cars don't interest you, then you'd have a tough time dealing with the automotive industry and how it works in general!
#174 of 389 Re: Mazda3 2.3 vs. '07 VW Rabbit, auto & manual [bodble2]
Apr 10, 2007 (9:17 am)
The 2006 Rabbit is totally new. New from the ground up. The last time in the US that the name "Golf" was used was 2005.
Now in Germany, the current U.S. market Rabbit was called the Golf last year. I think since 2004?
#175 of 389 Re: Mazda3 2.3 vs. '07 VW Rabbit, auto & manual [eldaino]
Apr 10, 2007 (11:22 am)
I never said the car hasn't been changed. Everyone knows every car gets changed every X number of years. I just said who cares what they call it. The change from Golf to Rabbit was strictly marketing. You seem to think just because it has a new name it has become a completely new model. What if they changed the name mid-cycle? That would really throw you for a loop, wouldn't it? VW figures "Rabbit" would sell better in North America. Would it matter if Honda changed the name of the Civic every time there is a model-cycle changeover? I've wasted enough time trying to make a very basic point. If it makes you feel better to recite all your "facts", then go knock yourself out.
#176 of 389 Re: Mazda3 2.3 vs. '07 VW Rabbit, auto & manual [bodble2]
Apr 10, 2007 (12:08 pm)
NO, when the current gen Golf/Rabbit first came out, it was under the name Golf.... The fact that it more or less coincided with the model-cycle changeover did not mean VW came out with a completely new model.
you never said the car hasn't been changed huh?
I never argued that because you change a model's name; it makes it a new car. If you change the name of the civic to something else, and everything remains the same, yes its still a civic.
With the golf, when it was time for a COMPLETE redesign, they decided to change the name along with it. Why is that hard to understand? If you don't car what they call it, fine. This whole thing started because someone who owned a u.s. spec GOLF (previous gen) stated that the RABBIT (current gen) sucked, when he's never driven it and he admitted to that.
EVEN if they NEVER changed the name, his comments would have still been unfair, because he would still have to deal with the fact that this thread is about the current generation (MKV) and he owned a previous one. (MKIV)
You seem to think just because it has a new name it has become a completely new model.
No I DON'T. But in the case of the rabbit, when they changed the model, they...also...changed...the...NAME!
What if they changed the name mid-cycle? That would really throw you for a loop,
No it wouldn't, but it certainly has for you!
I've been very plain with my posts, to the point where another poster (avi) has had to tell you that, YES it is a totally different car from the previous generation.
#177 of 389 Re: Mazda3 2.3 vs. '07 VW Rabbit, auto & manual [aviboy97]
Apr 10, 2007 (12:11 pm)
yes avi you are right; it took the us a little while longer to get the MKV, even when europe had already had it for awhile. There and only there has the golf, including this generation, ever reamained called the golf.
#178 of 389 Re: Mazda3 2.3 vs. '07 VW Rabbit, auto & manual [eldaino]
Apr 10, 2007 (1:37 pm)
"...coincided with the model-cycle changeover."
Which part of that did you not understand? Would it help you if I typed more slowly?
Changes, upgrades, makeovers, updates from generation to generation do not make it a "new model", you moron. When VW introduced the Phaeton, the Toureg, the Tiguan...those are "new models". Take you for example, next year you could get a new wardrobe, gain/lose 10 lbs, but it would still be the same pompouse obnoxious you.
"EVEN if they NEVER changed the name, his comments would have still been unfair, because he would still have to deal with the fact that this thread is about the current generation (MKV) and he owned a previous one. (MKIV)"
He was commenting on the reliability of his Golf, and in that respect, it most certainly was fair for him to reference the experience he had with his car. Time will prove him right or wrong, but it is fair for him to so comment.
Apr 10, 2007 (3:01 pm)
This is getting tiresome.
#180 of 389 Re: - [dudleyr]
Apr 10, 2007 (3:24 pm)
Oh, tell me about it!!
#181 of 389 Re: Mazda3 2.3 vs. '07 VW Rabbit, auto & manual [bodble2]
Apr 10, 2007 (3:31 pm)
Actually, in his original post, stallioner said he had a rabbit and it sucked. He didnt say anything initially about reliability, although one might imply that is what he meant with his comments about "j" cars.
In fact, the ambiguity and harshness of his post was what really put off eldaino. Stallioner initially just said the rabbit sucked, while giving no concrete reasons. Those sort of comments are essentially pointless.
Apr 10, 2007 (3:37 pm)
Maybe we can swing back to the cars now?