Traffic Laws & Enforcement Tactics

"The New Jersey Department of Transportation has directed 21 of the 25 municipalities that are participating in a pilot program to suspend issuing summonses to motorists on the basis of video evidence provided by cameras placed at intersections.

The suspension order affects 63 of the 85 intersections statewide where red light cameras are operating or have been approved for operation. It affects all locations in 19 participating municipalities and one intersection in each of two other municipalities.

NJDOT, which is administering the five-year pilot program, has ordered that the issuance of new violation summonses be suspended at the 63 intersections because it has come to the attention of the Department that the pilot program legislation specifies a formula to determine the proper duration of the yellow light in a traffic signal that differs from the legally required, nationally accepted formula that NJDOT or municipalities use when installing traffic signals."

NJDOT

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KCRam@Edmunds (Jun 20, 2012 6:00 pm)
stickguy (Jun 20, 2012 6:47 pm)
- Stever@Edmunds (Jun 22, 2012 2:21 pm)
  - fintail (Jun 22, 2012 2:44 pm)
graphicguy (Jun 22, 2012 1:57 pm)

#900 of 1006 Re: short yellows [steve_] by KCRam@Edmunds HOST

Jun 20, 2012 (6:00 pm)

Replying to: Stever@Edmunds (Jun 20, 2012 5:18 pm)

I think the more interesting thing is, the national standard is tied to speed limits, but the program is tied to vehicle speed. So if the speed limit is 30, the state originally had a 3 second yellow. But if the 85th percentile speed is 40 (10 over the limit), the camera rule would dictate a 4.5 second yellow.

kcram - Pickups/Wagons/Vans+Minivans Host

#901 of 1006 Re: short yellows [steve_] by stickguy

Jun 20, 2012 (6:47 pm)

Replying to: Stever@Edmunds (Jun 20, 2012 5:18 pm)

saw that today in the local paper. Curious to know if they find that the yellow was too short, will they have to refund all those fines?

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Stever@Edmunds (Jun 22, 2012 2:21 pm)
- fintail (Jun 22, 2012 2:44 pm)

#902 of 1006 . by fintail

Jun 21, 2012 (6:48 pm)

This is amusing

#903 of 1006 Re: short yellows [steve_] by graphicguy

Jun 22, 2012 (1:57 pm)

Replying to: Stever@Edmunds (Jun 20, 2012 5:18 pm)

Some rumbling in OH that the areas that have instituted the "short yellow" and more particularly, the red light cameras, will have to refund all fines collected, in addition to having to pay to have the "yellow lights" returned to normal, and the dismantling of the red light cameras.

That's when the crying will start about not having enough money for law enforcement.

It was the municipalities grand faux pas. I'm all for cutting, or eliminating the city council's pay as a punitive action by their constituency. Red light camera companies should return all fees to their respective counties and cities. Since they'll have no reason to exist, their assets and any investments made should also be forfeited to the municipalities who they sold this crazy scheme to.

#904 of 1006 Re: short yellows [stickguy] by Stever@Edmunds HOST

Jun 22, 2012 (2:21 pm)

Replying to: stickguy (Jun 20, 2012 6:47 pm)

They might have to refund the money.

This city in CA had short yellows:

Bay Area City Must Refund Red Light Camera Tickets (Jalopnik)

These were was just plain illegal:

City To Issue Refunds For Red-Light Camera Tickets (CBS-Miami)

This was a broken camera:

More than 3K drivers to get speeding ticket refund (Wbaltv-Baltimore)

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fintail (Jun 22, 2012 2:44 pm)

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