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Re: Radar enforcement [snakeweasel] by socala4
Jul 10, 2006 (10:39 am)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Jul 10, 2006 10:34 am)

Yes the reduce speed ahead sign is the advanced notification. Provided that sign is set a certain distance ahead of the speed limit sign (it always is though).
 
These things all vary from state to state. While many traffic laws are uniform, many of the nuances vary.
 
For example, in California, "speed traps" are illegal, and laying-in-wait with radar can be construed as a speed trap, while this is perfectly legal in some other states. Some states set all speed limits as maximum limits (i.e. any speed above that limit is illegal, no matter what), while others have some prima facie limits that are presumed safe but can be exceeded if the driver can prove them to be safe. Some states are certainly more radar-happy than others, and love to enforce those speed limit decreases with a bit more vigor than you'd find elsewhere.
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Re: Speeding cameras.... [snakeweasel] by gee35coupe
Jul 10, 2006 (11:35 am)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Jul 10, 2006 10:32 am)

Following the links in the story produce the source.
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/10/1050.asp
 
The AJC is our major newspaper here in Atlanta.
 
There are other links along the left edge of the page.
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Re: Speeding cameras.... [gee35coupe] by snakeweasel
Jul 10, 2006 (12:09 pm)
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Replying to: gee35coupe (Jul 10, 2006 11:35 am)

This has NOTHING to do with the thread.
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Re: Placing a speed camera in a school zone... [snakeweasel] by redmaxx
Jul 10, 2006 (12:22 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Jul 10, 2006 10:33 am)

Unless they have a search warrant nothing.
 
Do you think they are just going to drop it there? No, they are going to get their search warrant. Even though they don't have probable cause.
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Re: Speeding cameras.... [snakeweasel] by redmaxx
Jul 10, 2006 (12:26 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Jul 10, 2006 10:32 am)

I don't think that is an issue that has been reported on at all. Everyone here is concerned with plowing ahead, rights be damned because we are the red-light-running-capital. So, you can either believe me or not. You can either trust that these devices make NO mistakes, or not. It's very clear, from others posters that this violates Constitutional rights, so at that, they shouldn't be using them.
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Re: Placing a speed camera in a school zone... [redmaxx] by snakeweasel
Jul 10, 2006 (12:26 pm)
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Replying to: redmaxx (Jul 10, 2006 12:22 pm)

If they don't have probable cause they can't get a search warrant. To get the search warrant they would have to show the judge that it was actually you in the car and/or the driver is hiding in your house. Simple isn't it.
 
Thats enough of trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
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Re: Radar enforcement [socala4] by redmaxx
Jul 10, 2006 (12:28 pm)
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Replying to: socala4 (Jul 10, 2006 10:39 am)

For example, in California, "speed traps" are illegal, and laying-in-wait with radar can be construed as a speed trap, while this is perfectly legal in some other states. Some states set all speed limits as maximum limits (i.e. any speed above that limit is illegal, no matter what), while others have some prima facie limits that are presumed safe but can be exceeded if the driver can prove them to be safe. Some states are certainly more radar-happy than others, and love to enforce those speed limit decreases with a bit more vigor than you'd find elsewhere.
 
I wonder if there is such a thing as an "obvious" speed trap? On a highway here they park inconspicous looking vehicles on the side of the road, but they have police officers inside with radar guns checking for speeders. For example, on one trip home I saw a mid 90s Tahoe parked on the side. As I got closer, I saw a light bar on top and as I passed, sure enough, there was a guy with a radar gun inside.
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Re: Speeding cameras.... [redmaxx] by snakeweasel
Jul 10, 2006 (12:29 pm)
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Replying to: redmaxx (Jul 10, 2006 12:26 pm)

So, you can either believe me or not. You can either trust that these devices make NO mistakes, or not.
 
Its not about who or what to trust its the point that I would like to have proof before I make a wholesale comment that they are inaccurate.
 
It's very clear, from others posters that this violates Constitutional rights,
 
How in the world does it violate Constitutional rights? Last time I checked the Constitution didn't grant anyone the right to run a red light.
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Re: Radar enforcement [redmaxx] by fintail
Jul 10, 2006 (12:30 pm)
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Replying to: redmaxx (Jul 10, 2006 12:28 pm)

They are mainly obvious here, especially in town but the WSP isn't exactly a sneaky organization. They are rarely unmarked, rarely out of sight from even like a quarter mile or more. They cherry pick the inattentive, which in and of itself isn't a bad thing. Of course, I am sure safety trumps money...
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Re: Placing a speed camera in a school zone... [snakeweasel] by redmaxx
Jul 10, 2006 (12:32 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Jul 10, 2006 12:26 pm)

If they don't have probable cause they can't get a search warrant. To get the search warrant they would have to show the judge that it was actually you in the car and/or the driver is hiding in your house. Simple isn't it.
  
Thats enough of trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

 
If it were only that simple. In Avondale (near Phoenix) they send you an official, ticket-looking document saying you ran the red-light. They give you the option of:
 
A) Self-incriminating
B) Certifying exactly who was in the car at the time
C) Certifying that the car was stolen at the time
 
What if you don't know? What if you lent it to a friend, who lent it to a friend? It's bad practice, but you should not be responsible. If you don't respond within 30 days, they send out a process server. HOW can they send out a process server when they haven't verified who committed the offense? BTW - They don't get to check your picture from the MVD.
 
This is not a mole hill, this is them plowing straight over our Constitutional rights.

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