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Replying to: fezo (Jun 30, 2007 11:54 am) What if you move out of state as a result of such a fine? Or are transferred such as in the many military people here. Does VA put a tax lien on you until you finally pay up? It's next to impossible to buy anything on credit with an open tax lien on your record.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jun 30, 2007 12:12 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Jun 30, 2007 12:17 pm)  I don't disagree that these fines are way extreme and I have to wonder if some challenge here or there won't strike them down, but I get irritated enough at people blowing by me and weaving very unsafely through lanes on crowded interstates and no one EVER EVER signaling a turn that it all seems peachy keen to me. 
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Replying to: fezo (Jun 30, 2007 11:54 am) |
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Replying to: pat (Jun 30, 2007 2:08 pm) Assuming this things holds up the first challenge it will mean that you will have people who start down the slide from the middle class because they went 54 in a 50, missed a turn signal once or, heaven forbid, had something that in a random officer's mind "obstructs their view." Swell. All because one legislator's law firm that specializes in traffic tickets wanted more revenue. This is everything that is wrong in special interest government.
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Replying to: fezo (Jun 30, 2007 8:05 pm) Let me be clear about this - I don't think using the tactics you suggest to apply large fines to anyone for contrived reasons is at all acceptable, but there is something that perhaps those who don't live here understand. The legislation of this state has consistently denied funds for highway improvements over and over and over again. The traffic situation is horrendous in several parts of Virginia, one of them where I live. One accident at "rush" hour in one strategic place (and there are dozens upon dozens of these) throws the entire area into instant gridlock, a gridlock that can take three or more hours to resolve. If it's one of the numerous tunnels, it can take 8-12 hours. This is an area very vulnerable to hurricanes. This is an area that has absolutely NO viable evacuation plan because of the multiple surrounding waterways and lack of highways, bridges and tunnels to handle a mass exit of the population that now inhabits the area. The fact of the matter is that the budget of this commonwealth has been controlled for years by rural legislators whose constituents don't live in either northern Virginia or in southeastern Virginia and are not affected by the unique circumstances of either area. So they do not care about the years of neglect of the legitimate needs of the heavily populated areas, they only care about proving to their constituents that they aren't spending money. I do not condone any law enforcement tactics plotting to trap motorists frivolously for no other purpose than to generate funds. But neither do I object to honest law enforcement raising money by holding blatant law-breakers accountable to the LAWS that are in place to protect us all. The revenue is badly needed and those people, the ones who have no concern whatsoever about how their recklessness endangers others, are around me every day, all day long. If they don't want to make a large individual donation to fixing these problems, all they need to do is obey the law. :: Pollyanna stepping off of soap box now.  ::
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Replying to: pat (Jul 01, 2007 6:44 am) Living in New Jersey I certainly know a little about insane traffic even though I decided to get out of the area of the worst traffic decades ago. I don't see the connection between the neglected roads down there (and I know the ones you're talking about and they absolutely qualify as dismal) and this new law. I saw a lot of money disappearing from peoples wallets for relatively minor violations but none saying that has to go into highway construction or maintenance. It's hard to get that money where it belongs when you have a dedicated tax. It's darn impossible when you don't. The fact that this money comes from traffic violations won't mean a darn thing to the rural legislators who will just see a bigger pie to use to take care of their own. This is the nature of legislative bodies. On a national scale it's how you get the bridge to nowhere.
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Replying to: fezo (Jul 01, 2007 7:14 am) The biggest problem I had with NJ's system was the 'no fault' insurance rates which were, I guess still are, ridiculous. I now insure three new vehicles in NC for what it cost me for one back in the 90's.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jul 01, 2007 7:48 am) Ours came down somewhat but now I have an 18 year old on the policy so it's back up. We have had a lot of the insurance companies that had left as long ago as the late 70s come back. For all his other failings, McGreevey did accomplish that. |
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Replying to: fezo (Jul 01, 2007 7:14 am)
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