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Re: Let's make a deal [oldfarmer50] by kirstie_h HOST
Mar 07, 2007 (1:39 pm)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Mar 07, 2007 10:45 am)

The most ridiculous plead-downs I've seen around here:
90 in a 70 reduced to "excessive vehicle noise."
DUI reduced to a $450 parking ticket.
 
Ludicrous.
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Re: Let's make a deal [kirstie_h] by gasmizr
Mar 07, 2007 (7:18 pm)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Mar 07, 2007 1:39 pm)

Like I said in my earlier post. The violations have little to do with safety for the conditions. The town or state does note care about what the violation is only that you plead to something so they can get their pound of cash. Traffic violation receipts are a part of the budget in many places. They count on the revenue to fund a percentage of the overall budget. So, in vary rare cases is it about safety because if it was there would be many more tickets for following to closely or aggressive or predatory driving. Unfortunately these are easily contested in court when there is no video of the violation. Judges tend to believe in radar and laser for speed cases and unless you are very familiar with these technologies and can cause doubt in the judges mind of the officers credibility you will lose.
 
Just remember on thing about radar and laser. One a straight flat section of road if the cop is hiding 20 feet from the center of your lane then you will appear to be going slower via the radar or laser reading by up to 5mph or more. If the curve is towards them or they are getting you coming out of a soup bowl it is easy to be 20mph over. This is just the basic physics equation of calculated speed = change in distance x time. and in either of these cases the actual distance traveled along your route is much longer then the distance traveled by the radar. Hence the time calculation is wrong for the distance and your apparent speed is higher.
 
Get your ticket and have a nice day, then fight it in court or plead down to the non moving violation and just pay. Most people just plead down and pay since it gets them off with no points, nothing on their record and their insurance does not go up. What a racket.
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Re: Let's make a deal [gasmizr] by imidazol97
Mar 08, 2007 (5:32 am)
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Replying to: gasmizr (Mar 07, 2007 7:18 pm)

>One a straight flat section of road if the cop is hiding 20 feet from the center of your lane then you will appear to be going slower via the radar or laser reading by up to 5mph or more. If the curve is towards them or they are getting you coming out of a soup bowl it is easy to be 20mph over.
 
Can you explain what you're trying to say? If it's as I read it, I don't believe it. You're talking about a stationary officer and the driver is on a curving roadway.
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various cop cars ( mentioned a while back ) by rayainsw
Mar 08, 2007 (9:10 am)
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Many & Varied Cop cars online:
 
http://www.copcarsonline.com/gallery.htm
 
And yet another approach – Bloomfield Hills PD Corvette C6:
 
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rayainsw/Corvette%20C6%20Cop%20Car/Corvet- - teC6PoliceCar1.jpg
 
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rayainsw/Corvette%20C6%20Cop%20Car/Corvet- - teC6PoliceCar2.jpg
 
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/rayainsw/Corvette%20C6%20Cop%20Car/Corvet- - teC6PoliceCar3BloomfieldHills.jpg
 
- Ray
Not a cop - and hope never to be involved in traffic law enforcement - from any angle.......
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Bus accident on I75 HOV exit by rayainsw
Mar 08, 2007 (9:14 am)
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I work less than 3 miles from that exit off I75.
It is, at the very least, a very unusual configuration.
 
It occurred while I was on my way to work – and I would have seen the immediate aftermath ( I travel that stretch in the opposite direction most mornings at just before 6AM ) had I not heard a traffic report.
- Ray
Deeply saddened by that accident . . .
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Re: Let's make a deal [imidazol97] by 210delray
Mar 08, 2007 (9:17 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Mar 08, 2007 5:32 am)

You're right, and the previous poster was wrong. Radar, laser, and "lidar" rely on the Doppler principle (Google it), not distance divided by time, like VASCAR or airplane surveillance.
 
The cops gets an instantaneous speed reading, which of course can vary over time as you speed up or (more likely) slow down.
 
There is a "cosine error" (again look it up), which will reduce your measured speed the greater the angle between your line of travel and the the line to the officer on the side of the road. At greater distances, this error is negligible.
 
There will be no cosine error if the officer is in a patrol car directly in front of or behind you (in the same lane).
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The morning paper by imidazol97
Mar 08, 2007 (9:19 am)
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had another article about the exit ramp and the 82 accidents. They tend to be at night, older drivers from out of state, and drivers in the HOV lane. George says it doesn't need better signing because it was okay for the 1982 standards when it was built.
 
The exit signs on most interstates in this area have a large yellow band across the bottom indicating an exit from the main road even if it's to another interstate. The sign I saw on the news video that first day did NOT have that kind of alert. It was just a sign like might note this ramp would go to the Brave's stadium or to the aquarium.
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Re: The morning paper [imidazol97] by thenebean
Mar 08, 2007 (10:36 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Mar 08, 2007 9:19 am)

at first when i heard about the accident, i was thinking how the driver wouldn't have known to stop at the top of an exit ramp...but after reading more, and hearing people talk about the ramp in question, it seems like it could be construed as an extention of the HOV lane, and that it would continue to go straight at the top of the ramp, instead of exiting to an cross street.
 
very tragic indeed.
 
-thene
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HOV lanes ( odd ) by rayainsw
Mar 08, 2007 (1:02 pm)
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What I have not seen anyone mention on local ( I live & work here ) or national coverage is that very shortly ( 0.25 to 0.5 miles? ) after this HOV left exit, the HOV lane actually “exits” to the left at \ leading to the junction of I85 & I75 – where they join and become one road - “The Connector” – running north \ south through the most congested portion of Atlanta.
 
If you type something like:
 
Northside Dr Nw & I 75
Atlanta, GA 30301, US
 
. . . in Mapquest, you will see the two intersections.
 
And the veritable maze that constitutes the second HOV lane ‘diversion’ – where the HOV lane veers gently off & continues left, with 2 other lanes, splitting off just before the actual joining of I85 & I75. The other 2 lanes both execute a rather sharp 180 degree right turn, onto I85 North, while the I75 South HOV lane splits off to the left.
 
This southbound HOV lane runs under North I85 and then rejoins I75 \ I85 a bit further south.
 
Looking at the Mapquest view at full zoom-in may help picture this.
Maps.google.com ( hybrid view ) may be even better.
 
My point is only this:
In the dark, if you do not drive this particular portion of I75 south regularly, but have driven it before, I can see where one might potentially confuse the exit taken by this bus for the “HOV exit left” that is actually another short distance ahead. One leads to an ongoing HOV lane. One leads to a stop at the top of a bridge.
 
Odd.
 
- Ray
Not a traffic engineer & don’t even play one on TV . . .
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Lemko out there? by stickguy
Mar 08, 2007 (9:07 pm)
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there was a piece on the local Philly news tonight about Roosevelt blvd. (rt. 1). Probably the worst local road I have ever seen. It has inner and outer roadways each direction, with 3+ lanes in each. Bizarre cut overs, people never know where to be, etc.
 
Needless to say, lots of accidents, and pedestrians getting hit. SO they installed red light cameras at the worst intersections, and it seems to have helped cut down on the carnage.
 
So, some local pols. figure, we are making money, saving a few lives, lets add speed cameras next! But guess what?
 
Turns out that the red light cameras are also speed cameras. Pretty much they just have to turn the feature on, and instant revenue. The usual, $175 fine for 10 over, but no points. Pa would also have to take pics of the rear of the car, since it is only 1 plate.

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